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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:47 pm 
 

Has there ever been an attempt at indexing all of the artwork from TSR, including the author of each piece?

I ask this mainly because I love most of the old artwork (particularly stuff done before 1983 or somewhere around there), and I'd be curious to know what stuff I've never seen. I have the bulk of TSR output in either hard copy or pdf, but am missing some things here and there, as well as missing copies of most of the rare stuff.

I enjoy flipping through the art of the old books, and I know that there are drawings that I've never seen due to pieces being cut from various versions and editions. For example, the one pastel (mono) TSR module I've never had a chance to gander at is D3 Vault of the Drow, and a recent thread on Grognardia was offered some examples of art from that version of the module that did not make the cut for the color-covered version of D3.

Also, I'd be neat to find out who did all of the unsigned pieces. A lot of these can be figured out by comparing style, or checking the art credits for a module or whatever, but I'd bet there are a number of pieces no one has tied to a specific artist.

So, I wondered whether such an index exists, and if so, where it can be found. Thanks.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:53 pm 
 

That sounds like a huge task.  I have never run across such things.  There are a number of original art pieces hosted here and on the Tome of Treasures but by no means any sort of index to art within modules.

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:59 pm 
 

Mars wrote:That sounds like a huge task.


Yeah. I was thinking about doing one, but figured I'd ask around to see if its ever been attempted before tackling it.

The rare stuff that I simply could never justify spending the money on would hold me back as well, which is probably the biggest stumbling block to such a work.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:50 pm 
 

There's interest in such a thing.

viewtopic.php?t=8409&highlight=art

But nothing available or in progress that I know of.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:24 pm 
 

Thanks for the link mordrin. That's pretty much the idea I had in mind, was to make a simple text file that lists the product, page number, artist, and a brief description.

I'd probably limit an index to the stuff I'm interested in (mainly TSR while Gary was at the helm), which would still be a big project, but not as big as trying to index every piece of art by all of the TSR artists.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:44 pm 
 

An excellent idea for a subweb!

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:13 pm 
 

A very daunting task, indeed. Not to throw a wrench in the works, but there will also be the issue of which artwork is available in which printing of a module or book. Not all printings are alike in the art department.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:26 pm 
 

For such a project, it might also be worthwhile to check into copyright issues.  I am guessing that when you start pulling a significant amount of content from a book like all the artwork, you are breaching copyright issues.

If all you wanted to do was create an index but not show each picture then you would be safe.

I think it might have been mentioned that the rights reverted back to artists(?) so you could contact a number of them to ask if you could use their artwork for such a purpose.

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:18 pm 
 

Mars wrote:For such a project, it might also be worthwhile to check into copyright issues.  I am guessing that when you start pulling a significant amount of content from a book like all the artwork, you are breaching copyright issues.

If all you wanted to do was create an index but not show each picture then you would be safe.

I think it might have been mentioned that the rights reverted back to artists(?) so you could contact a number of them to ask if you could use their artwork for such a purpose.


I'm mainly interested in a simple text index. Having some pictures to illustrate (ahem) the work would be neat, but I don't think I'd have the stamina to not only scan images of every piece of art, but to also go through the legal legwork to facilitate including all of it.

An index might take a few months to work out (perhaps missing some of the art from some of the rares, since I don't have complete access to everything TSR), but trying to make such an index and include all of the art with it would be like doing a whole book!

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:52 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:36 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:00 am 
 

Well, after thinking about it, I was wondering if a simple text index would have a lot of use, other than for historical purposes. If relatively complete for whatever period I decided to cover, it would at least give people a heads up on the artwork from various printings that they may have never seen, or don't have as part of their collection.

Without the actual images though, I'm not sure if there's any other point to the exercise.

Its not like I need to undertake this just to increase my nerd profile. That's pretty high already.  :D

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:05 am 
 

It sounds to me that this project as described is an academic exercise comprised of a catalog raissonne of all TSR artwork.  As such, the use of the images is likely fair use for academic purpose under certain conditions.  I am not an attorney but my understanding is that use of images for profit requires permission, but use for academic purpose probably only requires acknowledgment.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:35 pm 
 

Grognard wrote:Well, after thinking about it, I was wondering if a simple text index would have a lot of use, other than for historical purposes.


That statement could be applied to the entire Acaeum!  :D

If relatively complete for whatever period I decided to cover, it would at least give people a heads up on the artwork from various printings that they may have never seen, or don't have as part of their collection.


I think this is a sufficient reason to create such a list, but I agree it's a great deal of work for small return.

Without the actual images though, I'm not sure if there's any other point to the exercise.


As I said in the previous thread linked above, I personally would be interested only in a text-only list/database. I think including scans of all of the interior artwork goes too far towards replicating the entire work on-line.

Also, I still think the best place to add this information would be the Acaeum Wiki. That way you could click on, for example, "Bill Willingham", and it would show the Wiki pages for every product that has art in it by him (cover or interior), and then you could click directly on the page for each product and go right to it and see the other artists in that same product.

A big advantage to the Wiki is that information can be adding piecemeal by the interested parties.

Obstacles:
-The Acaeum Wiki only has a dedicated field for cover artist of the products. If they could enable a field for interior artists I would start contributing to this. The information could be: Page #, Artist Name, Brief Description (e.g., "Lizardman mounted on Giant Lizard").
- I'd want to start with TSR products which are covered by the regular Acaeum rather than the Wiki. I assume this would require a "shell page" (or whatever the correct term is) that would need to be created for each product.

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