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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:19 am 
 

Is there a concise list of modules that are often missing pages or other components?

Examples: S1 without the illustration booklet, L1 without the removable map sheet, I3 without the additional cover/map, B4 without the tier 6-10 maps?


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:28 am 
 

Pretty much all of them that come with something bonus, like an illustration book, or a double cover, or counters... if it comes with an added feature, it can be hard to find one that still has them. At least, if you're just willy-nilly buying stuff.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:15 am 
 

ALL of those with Magic Viewers or Magic Pens.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:59 am 
 

If we add in fold out maps, cards that were meant to be cut out, center/end maps that were meant to be removed, pre-gen character pages, and so on... that would be most modules.

Really, only squarebounds (without extra booklets) could be considered safe, and I still check through those when I buy them too.

Between the resources here and TSR Archive, I put together a list with my want list, so I know what I should be looking for in a complete item.  If it's not clear in an ebay auction, I ask.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:06 am 
 

Yes. The TSR archive is a good first port of call. We are trying to list contents of all items with photos on the Wiki as well. Here is a random article, where I have added a partial scan of the fold-out map that comes with this patricular item:

http://wiki.acaeum.com/wiki/2010:_Odyssey_Two

I have found that one of the most annoying aspects of being an RPG collector is discovering well after the date you purchased an item that it should have a map and then checking to find your item has no map, or cards, or the unnumbered pullouts in the centre are missing etc

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:12 am 
 

Guy Fullerton wrote:Is there a concise list of modules that are often missing pages or other components?

Examples: S1 without the illustration booklet, L1 without the removable map sheet, I3 without the additional cover/map, B4 without the tier 6-10 maps?


The list goes ever on and on...

For example the first Dragonlance series is particularly susceptable to this. Character cards that needed to be cut out, player handouts, cardboard chits, small maps...

B10 had a plethora of parts. An inner cover/map, a large fold out map and cardboard counters.

X10 had the large map and cardboard counters.

WG6 Isle of the Ape has a small map, often missing

DA4 (I believe) has a small map often missing.

Any module with detachable parts, cardboard counters, fold-out maps, or pull out center sections have a higher than average rate of incompleteness. Not just the older modules either. Gate of Firestorm Peak is often missing its map and cardboard counters. Boxed sets are even worse.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:22 am 
 

In some cases I have had to buy multiple copies of nearly all of the GAZ series because of missing parts.  GAZ10 more often than not is missing the OrcWars rules and GAZ4 is usually always missing the counters.  GAZ7 with the viking village cutouts is a pain as well.

But pretty much any box set with Monstrous Compendium booklet or sheets is where I am a real nitpicker.  I think I spent 4 years trying to find a complete Spellbound box set because I could never find one in minty condition with the MC insert.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:22 am 
 

The WGR is pretty suspect too - often maps are missing.  There are a couple of them where the map was optional.  I have seen copies ripped out of shrink where one contained the map and the other didn't.

I agree with KoP the GAZ series is terrible too and boxed sets typically are missing the MC sheets.

Maybe it would be easier to list the modules that are typically complete.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:08 pm 
 

If there's not a list, I think a list should be started. Or rather, the existing lists should be updated to reflect reality.

Example: Both the TSR Archive and Tome of Treasures list the non-mono D3 as having 28 pages, but that's not correct. It has 32 pages, 28 of which are numbered 1-28, with a 4 page unnumbered section of maps that were originally stapled into the center between pages 14-15.

I found a couple other similar inaccuracies last night while going through a purchased lot of modules, and I was surprised to see those inaccuracies for items that are so prevalent and/or commonly collected.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:18 pm 
 

Guy Fullerton wrote:If there's not a list, I think a list should be started. Or rather, the existing lists should be updated to reflect reality.

Example: Both the TSR Archive and Tome of Treasures list the non-mono D3 as having 28 pages, but that's not correct. It has 32 pages, 28 of which are numbered 1-28, with a 4 page unnumbered section of maps that were originally stapled into the center between pages 14-15.

I found a couple other similar inaccuracies last night while going through a purchased lot of modules, and I was surprised to see those inaccuracies for items that are so prevalent and/or commonly collected.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:20 pm 
 

I'd rather apply the information to the web sites that people already use. Besides, the acaeum wiki doesn't appear to want to cover a lot of the classic products that I've found issues with.


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:45 pm 
 

Guy Fullerton wrote:I'd rather apply the information to the web sites that people already use. Besides, the acaeum wiki doesn't appear to want to cover a lot of the classic products that I've found issues with.


This has a lot to do with time and resources.  Updating any of the websites might take a while.  Its probably not pertinent for the Acaeum Wiki to reconstruct all the information on the Acaeum webpages.  TSR Archive and The Acaeum are both one man shows.  Acaeum updates seem to occur once a year?  The last update on TSR archive seems to have been May 22, 2006 although I know he is still around.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:18 pm 
 

I'm still cataloging Forgotten Realms part numbers.  Course haven't touched that file in a couple weeks.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:55 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:In some cases I have had to buy multiple copies of nearly all of the GAZ series because of missing parts.  GAZ10 more often than not is missing the OrcWars rules and GAZ4 is usually always missing the counters.  GAZ7 with the viking village cutouts is a pain as well.

Oh yes... amen to that.  I had a really hard time getting the GAZ issues I wanted in complete condition.  In fact, my GAZ10 is missing the OrcWars rules.  lol  I have a color photocopy with it, so at least I have the info.  One of these days, I will have to get the authentic pages... since I am so anal.  lol  ;)

Getting complete copies of B10 and X10 are definitely a hassle.  It is especially tricky if you are trying to find the counters unpunched... and it is extra tricky if you want to get extra anal and want the original ziplock baggie that comes with products like X10 and DL11.   8O

The Magic Viewers are ALWAYS missing, it seems.  lol  I can't tell you how tricky it was to track one down for my CM5 issue that I bought incomplete, despite the seller telling me it had the viewer before I bid.   :roll:   I ended up keeping the item and negotiating a partial refund.

And oh yes... the modules with pull-out maps (especially if those pages weren't numbered or had different numbering) were a drag to find in complete shape.

Oh... I also had a hard time finding all of the 2E Historical Setting splatbooks with the maps still attached in the back.  Despite asking if they were still there before bidding on them... and being told that they were, I had to return two because the sellers were completely oblivious or lazy.

I seem to also see issues sometimes with the last page of the UK Holmes manual (with the alternate art) being torn out.

I could probably keep going as I keep thinking of things.  lol  but...

Finally, as someone earlier mentioned... boxed sets are sometimes a real torture to find with all of the contents.  This is especially so for sets that have tons of little goodies in them.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:11 pm 
 

Hi, unless I missed it on the skim-down, I am surprised no-one mentioned ...



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the most common problem is detachment of the un-numbered center reference sheets (happened to me again, today).



for missing parts in general,

http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/

is one of the best references I have found.



when i sell things, they are guaranteed complete, unless explicitly noted otherwise.



other sellers out there are decent enough to do this as well : Guido the Gypsy comes to mind. i emailed him saying 'hey there's no map for my DL3' and he sent me a refund, with no problems.



imagine my embarassment when i found out that DL3 never came with a map (another copy I had picked up had a DL2 map inserted in there) ...

as soon as I found out, I bounced the funds back to him again. all told, decent guy and a solid and reliable seller.



the ones that you have to watch out for are the 'sold as is' listings: the seller might be really honest and decent, but when it says 'as is' and you place a bid, you're agreeing to a contract, whatever is listed there.



i really hope that no-one here would place a bid on a B10 or an X10 without first stopping to check!



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Post Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:50 am 
 

I12

I have two copies that are missing the second booklet. And I have had at least two others over the years missing the second booklet.

Very frustrating.


And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:52 am 
 

Knight of the Living Dead (and similar modules) can easily be found without bookmarks page. That's what happened to me with the first copy I got.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:12 pm 
 

I researched, designed and uploaded **almost** all the pages in the Classic D&D section on the Tome of Treasures.  I did my best to encompass all the parts and sections that came with a module - not only listing additional booklets and fold-out maps, but also listing the page numbers and type of player handouts, insert maps, perforated pages, etc.

It is a fairly comprehensive resource (if you check out each item individually, that is . . . )

http://tomeoftreasures.com/tot_dnd/classic_main.htm


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