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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:24 pm 
 


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This may not be an intentional scam, but I hate this kind of thing. He takes a picture of a big collection, but is only selling 8 items from it. This is a trick to fluff out a small auction lot. It shouldnt be allowed but it is a waste of time trying to get ebay to do anything about it.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:04 pm 
 

I wonder why he would do that.  Really kind of shady :?


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:23 pm 
 

Could be he just grabbed the photo from someone else (bad form) but I agree that it's sketchy as hell to promote an auction in this way.   There seems to be a lot of Spine shots being used for lots right now.  Granted it makes getting all the titles in there easier but makes me worry about the condition of the cover/corners of the book.

Just use the "too good to be true" rule and you never have to worry.  Someone will realize what they've done after hitting the button and they will have to deal with the ebay hassle (complaint, retraction, etc).  Everyone has to learn that lesson at least once in their life due to @sshats like this.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:37 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dungeon-and-Dragons-D-D-4th-edition-Large-lot-8-books_W0QQitemZ220404975368QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item220404975368&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

This may not be an intentional scam, but I hate this kind of thing. He takes a picture of a big collection, but is only selling 8 items from it. This is a trick to fluff out a small auction lot. It shouldnt be allowed but it is a waste of time trying to get ebay to do anything about it.


Yes the picture shows more than is being listed for that lot, but he says in the FIRST line of the description.

Not everything in the photo is part of this auction. Here is what you are bidding on:





Then he goes on to list EXACTLY what IS being sold in the lot.


Honestly, I do not understand the problem with that specific issue.







I have more trouble with the spine photo that is so out of focus.


WHY bother with the pic at all if you cannot do better than that?


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:06 pm 
 

Some people shop by images and don't read the descriptions unless enticed into it. For example, when I do a search, I look over the images and if they look interesting, I'll click on the auction. And then, if I read the description is different, it pretty much pisses me off. Browsing should not involve work. :)


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:28 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:I have more trouble with the spine photo that is so out of focus.
WHY bother with the pic at all if you cannot do better than that?

He may have the same issue that I do. I can either get a nice clear scan of a standard size book (letter size or A4), or I can use my digital video camera for larger items or lots. Since I do not have a memory card for the camera to take hi-res stills, I am stuck with a blurry still taken from the camera in normal recording mode. The photo looks like what I would get via this method.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:22 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:I wonder why he would do that.  Really kind of shady :?


I imagine a lot of people would be duped by this considering:

I once sold one of those collector's edition old D&D computer games.  I thought my listing was good. I photographed the box and contents including the 5 1/4 floppy disks. I stated clearly in the description - here is one for the retro-gamer etc etc. I didn't really expect it to sell, but there was a bidding frenzy between two at the end.

When the guy received the set, he wrote back to me angrily 'hey this is floppy disks, I thought it was CD-ROMs' . I wrote back politely saying it states clearly in the description and shows in the photo what you are getting. He then wrote back abashed saying 'whoops I didn't notice!'

Moral of the story: people often buy without really studying listings and this Seller will get himself into hot water.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:32 pm 
 

I've always attributed this to simple laziness; some people will take one picture of ten items and use it in ten auctions, rather than taking ten pictures.

I don't get it either.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:03 am 
 

if a bidder is too stupid to read the auction, that's HIS problem. It IS deceptive, but I believe there is a saying in Latin.......


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:25 am 
 

Put up an Orange B3 with picture and write in the text that you'll supply a Green B3


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:15 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Put up an Orange B3 with picture and write in the text that you'll supply a Green B3


:lol:

Funny, but not the same thing (IMO)

At least some of the items in his pic are in that listing.
His description is complete and clear enough if read.
Anyone who buys based solely on E-Bay pics will seldom be pleased.


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:56 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:
:lol:

Funny, but not the same thing (IMO)

At least some of the items in his pic are in that listing.
His description is complete and clear enough if read.
Anyone who buys based solely on E-Bay pics will seldom be pleased.


I wonder if the guy who did the buy it now realized he was only getting 8 books. Or if a seperate deal was made. At over $20 each that is a fairly premium price for these. I've seen these exact titles in the $10 to $15 range and less for large lots.

My contention is that showing a photo of a large amount of items then saying that only part of the auction lot shown is for sale is a scam. Not a an outright fraud, but a deceptive practice that shouldnt be allowed. (Though ebay doesn't do much about frauds let alone deceptive practices).

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:12 pm 
 

Yes... $23.65 (If you include SH) per book was indeed WAY too much for those 8 books...
BUT; if the winning bidder had thoughts that he/she was getting more than 8 books, then he/she deserves to be shocked when the books arrive.....

And what of all the listings with no pic or scans at all?
Should they be banned as well?

I think many here would view that as just another scam in the long list of scams by E-Bay to get more money from every listing....

I do not mind that listing showing a pic with a dozen books (Or however many) and only selling 8 of them since the TITLE clearly states that the listing is for EIGHT books....
Anyone not reading the TITLE of ANY E-Bay listing deserves to be ripped off (NOT saying this was a rip off!)
Plus inside, the description clearly lists Exactly what is for sale.
I feel that it is too much to consider that instance as a scam, and certainly nowhere near outright theft.
There are FAR more nasty things going on on E-Bay.....

And I agree that you (Jason) have every right to feel differently...


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:52 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:Yes... $23.65 (If you include SH) per book was indeed WAY too much for those 8 books...
BUT; if the winning bidder had thoughts that he/she was getting more than 8 books, then he/she deserves to be shocked when the books arrive.....

And what of all the listings with no pic or scans at all?
Should they be banned as well?

I think many here would view that as just another scam in the long list of scams by E-Bay to get more money from every listing....

I do not mind that listing showing a pic with a dozen books (Or however many) and only selling 8 of them since the TITLE clearly states that the listing is for EIGHT books....
Anyone not reading the TITLE of ANY E-Bay listing deserves to be ripped off (NOT saying this was a rip off!)
Plus inside, the description clearly lists Exactly what is for sale.
I feel that it is too much to consider that instance as a scam, and certainly nowhere near outright theft.
There are FAR more nasty things going on on E-Bay.....

And I agree that you (Jason) have every right to feel differently...


It isnt anything an honest seller would do, so regardless of the text description it is a scam. It is just a little something to fluff up an auction but if he can take a picture (regardless of the bluriness) of a large lot of items then he could have taken a picture of the 8 items he was actually selling.

And no one deserves to get ripped off. The expectation should be that items will not disappoint a reasonable buyer, not some kind of monkeys paw wish with a bunch of rule-lawyering so that the buyer gets stuck with less than they expected (either in quantity or quality).

It is sellers like this that help, in their little way, to give ebay its bad rep.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:23 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:And no one deserves to get ripped off. The expectation should be that items will not disappoint a reasonable buyer,.....


OK, I sort of agree with that statement.
That no one deserves to get ripped off, so I must back off that statement in my own post.

However, your use of the phrase "Reasonable Buyer" gives support to the fact that (IMO) ANY reasonable buyer would {SHOULD} not go by the picture alone (If there is one) but instead read the description and in this case the title of the listing itself.

Both of which clearly state that the listing is for EIGHT books only.

Blurry picture of a billion or so book spines aside, any reasonable buyer would read the title even before opening the listing in the first place.
And; any reasonable buyer would already know that there are only 8 books in that lot before getting dizzy while trying to understand exactly what is in that blurry picture.
(I was never able to figure out what is in that picture, even when using the description).
However, the description clarifies and supports what the title stated.
EIGHT BOOKS FOR SALE.

Why ANYONE (Especially any reasonable buyer) would go by that horrible blurry picture alone is beyond my understanding.
You cannot even tell what most of the books titles are.
UNLESS you read the listings description that is.....  8)


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:40 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:
OK, I sort of agree with that statement.
That no one deserves to get ripped off, so I must back off that statement in my own post.

However, your use of the phrase "Reasonable Buyer" gives support to the fact that (IMO) ANY reasonable buyer would {SHOULD} not go by the picture alone (If there is one) but instead read the description and in this case the title of the listing itself.

Both of which clearly state that the listing is for EIGHT books only.

Blurry picture of a billion or so book spines aside, any reasonable buyer would read the title even before opening the listing in the first place.
And; any reasonable buyer would already know that there are only 8 books in that lot before getting dizzy while trying to understand exactly what is in that blurry picture.
(I was never able to figure out what is in that picture, even when using the description).
However, the description clarifies and supports what the title stated.
EIGHT BOOKS FOR SALE.

Why ANYONE (Especially any reasonable buyer) would go by that horrible blurry picture alone is beyond my understanding.
You cannot even tell what most of the books titles are.
UNLESS you read the listings description that is.....  8)


While I see you like the reasonable buyer term you fail to mention the key "Honest Seller".

An "Honest Seller" does not take a picture of a large lot of items when only selling a handful.

A picture is worth far more than the description. It is what sellers use to catch the eye of the buyer. What this blurry picture promises is quantity, and of course it fails to deliver.

This deception is not what an "Honest Seller" would do, hoping for more than "Reasonable Buyers" and it looks like he found one. It is said that "More than reasonable buyers" are born every minute.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:45 pm 
 

On the face of that one listing, I do not think that we can be certain that he/she (The seller) is being purposefully deceptive or dishonest.

I have nothing else to add.
Except that we are not in agreement about this sellers honesty, or lack thereof.


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:10 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:On the face of that one listing, I do not think that we can be certain that he/she (The seller) is being purposefully deceptive or dishonest.

I have nothing else to add.
Except that we are not in agreement about this sellers honesty, or lack thereof.


Either the seller is knowningly dishonest or inheritantly dishonest. Which is worse, to be dishonest through conscious choice or dishonest by natural inclination?

  
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