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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:08 am 
 

OK, this might be a matter of milimeters and degrees, but is there any difference between a loose backing board, and a backing board that is inside a bag, in terms of shock absorption?

I am not an expert in kinetic energy, but it seems to reason that if a board(s) are loose, and a mishap happens, then less kinetic energy (am I using the right term?) would be transferred to the module because of less proximity/tightness of the bag.

Again, sorry if this is worrying about something really minor, but I want to learn all the details!

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:50 am 
 

The whole purpose of having the backing board in the bag is so that it stays perfectly with the module, insuring that the board takes the hit instead of the module.

But to address your specific question, I actually think it helps, not hurts to have the board next to the module because of the principle involved in why people can be hit with a sledgehammer safely when there's a cinder block in-between.  The block disperses the force of the blow over a wider area than the smaller face of the hammer.

The greater threats, in my opinion, are from bugs, mold and humidity.

The bottom line for me is that having the board outside the bag just isn't practical.  You either have to attach the board to the outside of the bag which involves glue or tape, or place the board in another bag over the bagged module.  Unless someone makes a bag with a board holder or some such, which I could only imagine as being prohibitively expensive. 8)


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:33 am 
 

No expert here but I think the board in the bag with the book/magazine/module/comic is the better of the two options.

For shrink wrapped items thats a non issue since there is no good way to stuff a SWed item and a board into a baggie together and not expect something bad to happen.
Damage to the SW is too easy to picture for me to consider such an option.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:05 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:No expert here but I think the board in the bag with the book/magazine/module/comic is the better of the two options.

I have never been sure which side of the backing board should face the comic --- the shiny side, the dull side, or either one?

  


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:17 am 
 

I am not sure if it matters that much - but I have been told by comic book guys that the dull side is best.  I also think that some boards are constructed to be slightly alkaline, to counteract the natural acidity in paper (especially the old newsprint-ey paper that early comics are printed on).


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 am 
 

red_bus wrote:I am not sure if it matters that much - but I have been told by comic book guys that the dull side is best.  I also think that some boards are constructed to be slightly alkaline, to counteract the natural acidity in paper (especially the old newsprint-ey paper that early comics are printed on).


That is odd.  The shiny side is what I have always been told is the correct side to be against the comic.  The reason why it is shiny is because it has a coating of calcium carbonate that is supposed to help absorb acid.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:25 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:That is odd.  The shiny side is what I have always been told is the correct side to be against the comic.  The reason why it is shiny is because it has a coating of calcium carbonate that is supposed to help absorb acid.

Is direct contact with the board necessary, or is being in the same bag enough to do the trick?

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:31 am 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:Is direct contact with the board necessary, or is being in the same bag enough to do the trick?


Logically if the acid is on your fingers and you read the comic it would then transfer to the paper.  If the backing board was turned around so that the dull side was up I don't see how it could absorb any acid.  But... when people read comics they touch the cover so how does the acid from your fingers get absorbed if the backing board is behind the cover?  No clue...but that is why I try not to touch the cover when I am reading them.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:09 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:...but that is why I try not to touch the cover when I am reading them.  :wink:


Please keep in mind that the next question is coming from a dude that does not intentionally collect comics.
Although I do have several hundred of them as you know and you know how I got them.

HOW do you manage NOT to touch a comic cover while reading it? :?

Do you wear gloves?


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:33 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:
Please keep in mind that the next question is coming from a dude that does not intentionally collect comics.
Although I do have several hundred of them as you know and you know how I got them.

HOW do you manage NOT to touch a comic cover while reading it? :?

Do you wear gloves?


Personally, I use a latex glove.....

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:21 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:HOW do you manage NOT to touch a comic cover while reading it? :?

Do you wear gloves?


No I dont wear gloves.  To be more clear....when I stated that I try not to touch the cover I meant the front of the comic book.  The back I am not too concerned with.  I hold the comic by putting my hand across the back so that the spine rests on the spot where my palm meets my thumb.  That way my fingers never actually touch the cover.  When I put in in the bag or take it out I slide it so that I dont need to use my fingers.

I learned this the hard way when I ruined a Ghost Rider #1 (2nd series) by holding my thumb up against the cover while I was reading it.  The cover was mostly black so when I finished reading it I noticed that my thumbprint was forever imbedded in the black ink.  :x


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:58 pm 
 

The purpose of a backing board is not so much to absorb impact (otherwise, you'd have to put one in the front, too!), but to assist in preventing bends and creases, especially when the item is stored upright in a box.

With that in mind, yes, place it inside the bag, with the item.

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:15 pm 
 

Yep. I use them to prevent curling, or as a "lean-to" when the item is placed for display purposes, front facing outward.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:01 pm 
 

serleran wrote:Yep. I use them to prevent curling, or as a "lean-to" when the item is placed for display purposes, front facing outward.


Yup, the "C" curve that they would get if they stood upright with no backing is the main protection. Also, the safety of the spine against creasings. I put mine shiny side toward the module, as that's what I've been instructed to do by my comic book shop owning best friend. He's got the first 15 X-Men comics, so, I'd imagine he's know how to protect them. :)

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:50 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:
That is odd.  The shiny side is what I have always been told is the correct side to be against the comic.  The reason why it is shiny is because it has a coating of calcium carbonate that is supposed to help absorb acid.


Aha.  Well, looks like I may have to get up to change over a hundred+ modules (which of course would take a lot longer than you might think, because once one comes out of the bag, you might as well have a quick read again, and... two weeks later...).  I did a quick google and got this collectors site

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ub ... 96&fpart=1

I only read the first page - and it seems I may have to start unbagging/reading  :D

[edit] read the whole eight pages post - these guys sound just like us  8O  :lol:


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:38 pm 
 

joe _ collector said what I was thinking.
Where was the doubt to being with?

The makers of the card board backing spent extra money coating one side...
WHY?!

I always assumed it was because they wanted you to use that side for some reason....


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:25 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:joe _ collector said what I was thinking.
Where was the doubt to being with?

The makers of the card board backing spent extra money coating one side...
WHY?!

I always assumed it was because they wanted you to use that side for some reason....

I thought it was some byproduct of the manufacturing process.  Now I have to rebag all of my comics . . . some year.  :)

What was the original question?  :)

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:13 pm 
 



Whew!  No changes needed here.  I have twelve long boxes of comics and five short boxes of d&d stuff, so I'd have been one busy boy for weeks.  Although, I can't help but wonder if the ph evens out over time requiring new boards every twenty or so years.  It seems like I read something about that somewhere.  I could google it, but since I've only been collecting comics for the past six years, I shouldn't have to worry about that for a while. 8)


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