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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:47 pm 
 

There have been a few useful threads over the last few years on whether to restore or amend items which might have flaws or damage.  For example, whether to remove or replace badly rusted staples (and if so, whether to put new staples in, and whether keep the old ones).  

I have a box set where the corners are split.  I am pretty certain that I am going to fix this - so that the corners are joined again.  So the question here for my fellow learned colleagues is... have you any suggestions as to how best to do this?  I could glue them back, I could use tape (you often see taped up corners on old D&D/rpg box sets), I could try fiixng some kind of supports inside the box, I could even perhaps make some kind of cardboard frame or support which is temporary.  

I am really looking forward to doing this - like a bit of DIY.  As it happens my work & study takes me to the British Library quite often, so next time I am there I will pop in to the Conservation Department - to see what they do with books with split spines or covers.  

I am sure that there are other options.  Any suggestions?  Any queries or concerns...??


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:51 pm 
 

Are you restoring it to later sell it? If so, you should note that it has been restored, and with what, as some people want original, and original only - not some "Frankenstein." As to what to do: not really sure. I've only recently been tempted on a very few items, but tend to just hunt down a replacement of it rather than restore - it would have to be something fairly unique to be worth the hassle, I think.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:58 pm 
 

Good point.  No, not for resale, I plan to keep it for a looooong time.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:25 pm 
 

Steven, if its the woodgrain you are referring to, just wrap it in 6 or 7 feet of duct tape.  I guarantee you won't have to worry about the corners coming loose ever again.  :lol:


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:41 pm 
 

Sounds good - the books could do with a touch of colouring in - am sure I have a highlighter here somewhere...  :D


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:54 pm 
 

If I were a prospective buyer, or owner, of such items I would definitely prefer a nice glue job rather than using any sort of tape.

The advantage of tape is that it will hold strongly, whereas glue might be more susceptible to reinjury. The disadvantage, of course, is that tape can be very unsightly, whereas if you glue properly it is hard to discern. My view is that I'd rather have it less solidly held together, using a technique that leaves very little footprint, since you can always re-glue it if necessary.

I haven't done this with D&D boxsets, but there is a high-powered glue available that is perfect for reconnecting cardboard pieces... just don't use too much. You can find the stuff at home depot (among other places I imagine). I've done this with boardgame boxes to great effect. You might want to do some dry runs on things you don't really care about first...

  


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:40 pm 
 

The books are great.  The box is fully split on six corners, partially on one, and fine on the last.  Some pics:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21446005@N02/2294836906/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21446005@N02/2294836486/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21446005@N02/2294045627/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21446005@N02/2294044723/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21446005@N02/2294836078/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21446005@N02/2294047267/

Anyone know how I manage to slot these into the actual message - rather than just post links?


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:45 pm 
 

To fix a split corner on my Traveller RPG box, I used a combination of glue and packing tape.  Afterward, I covered the box in clear Contact paper.  Since a Traveller box set doesn't have much more value than cover (despite being popular as all hell), using conservation-grade material such as library-grade packing tape (it's got a different term, but it works) and rice paper is pointless.

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:43 am 
 

The pics looks great Steven:  you snagged a winner, even with the box damage :D


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:07 am 
 

Try using acid-free bookbinders tape- the kind that looks like regular transparent tape, but won't leave a stain. Also try taping the inside of the box only; this is tricky, because you've got to get the inside corner to fit flush with the inner box, but it's worth it to not have tape visible.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:13 pm 
 

And that will teach me not to look at the accursed pictures.  Obviously my technique will NOT apply to this.

Bookbinder's tape and rice paper are the best bets in this case, along with a bone folder for folding the tape into place.



  


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:15 pm 
 

So, how's your restoration going, Steven? :D


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:18 pm 
 

Instead of tape, you might want to try a bookbinders glue.  The most common type is called PVA, or polyvinyl acetate.  It's very strong, dries clear and is pH neutral.  I used it on a split corner of a slipcase for some books, and it's held up very well.  You can get it at most hobby stores.


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Post Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:01 am 
 

I have never had to restore a really valuable item, and for cheaper box sets (for my own use - not sale), I use the invisible tape.

I would also appreciate ideas on how to deal with a crushed box. I am planning to experiment on one cheap box set with stiff cardboard braces glued to the interior - but advice / expertise would be appreciated.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:26 pm 
 

After some research, I was going to go for the clear PVA (or similar) glue, which I would use on the corners.  However, I went along to a book binders and restorers - this one in fact: http://www.bookbinding.co.uk

...and they were adamant that only a non-permanent restoration was the right option.  They recommended rice paper (also called mulberry paper I think),  which is very strong smooth paper with mulberry fibres in it, which is often used for restoring expensive books. That would be placed on the inside of the box and glued into place with wheat starch glue.  This is strong, completely neutral and can be removed (it is soluble with a little water) even after many years.  The restorer I spoke to claimed to have cleanly removed wheat starch glue which had been in place for 50 years.  

They even went so far as to recommend 'cooking' up new wheat starch glue from powder rather than going for the pre-made stuff in jars, because the pre-prepared stuff has preservatives in it to keep it soft - and they were unsure as to the long term effect of such chemicals.

It all sounds quite complicated, so first I think I might experiment on some old cardboard wine cartons  I usually find drinking and DIY go well together  :D


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:50 pm 
 

*bump*

Posted my question above more than a year ago. Has anyone experimented to try to fix box crushing? i.e. bracing the top with cards trips or some such?

  


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:31 pm 
 

Howdy,

I just fixed a Castle Zagyg Upper Works that was dished in. I rested the dished box face down over an open shipping box just slightly smaller than the Zagyg box. Then I placed some heavy magazines (3 National Geographics) inside the lid. The weight of the magazines took the dishing out in only a week and a half.

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Post Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:34 pm 
 

The Collector's Trove wrote:Howdy,

I just fixed a Castle Zagyg Upper Works that was dished in. I rested the dished box face down over an open shipping box just slightly smaller than the Zagyg box. Then I placed some heavy magazines (3 National Geographics) inside the lid. The weight of the magazines took the dishing out in only a week and a half.

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Be careful with the Castle Zagyg UW boxes though, the cardboard is very easy to damage.

  
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