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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:14 pm 
 

Hey, Diamond Dave! You know those star ratings over on the right of your feedback profile? The ones you've ignored up until now, since they don't directly tie in to your obsessive fascination with your own feedback score?



Well, it turns out there they're going to pretty important, Dave ... and since you have the worst star ratings of any seller on eBay, that's going to literally be taking money out of your pocket!



See Bill Cobb's update for details, dumbass:



http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200801.sht ... 1-29054823



But I'll highlight a couple of my favorite passages for you:



"Starting in February, we will decrease listings exposure in search for the relatively small number of sellers who have a high buyer dissatisfaction rate and low DSRs over the last 30 days, especially for charging excessive shipping and handling."



"... starting this July, you will need to have a minimum 4.5 score in all four DSR criteria over a 12-month period to be designated as a PowerSeller (or remain in the program)."



"For those with a 4.6 and above on all four DSR criteria, we'll give you a 5 percent discount off your final value fees. And for PowerSellers with a 4.8 and above, the reward is even better: 15 percent off all of your final value fees." (hint: this won't be you, Dave)



What do you think, Diamond Dave? Little bit of a shocker there, huh? I'll bet you any amount of money that you just thought those little orange stars were just a gimmick that didn't matter, didn't you? But, wow ... it looks like making up your own shipping rules, packaging items in cat-food boxes, "losing" M-bags, having zero communication skills, and being basically an all-around swollen, infected asshole is going to start costing you.



That's karma, Dave. Why don't you sign on here and tell us how it feels?

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:19 pm 
 

Dammit, I was just coming over here to post about that, given that ol' kitty-cat only has 1 rating above 4.5 and even 1 that's all the way down to 4.0.  (Guess which one! C'mon! Guess! ;) )

That's gonna take some work if you wanna keep bragging about being a power seller, cougie ol' chum. :lol:


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:32 pm 
 

Cougie is DONE as a Powerseller when these changes roll out. His current ratings, from the top, are 4.6, 4.3, 4.3, and 4.0 (in the "shipping and handling charges" cartegory  :)). And those ratings are entrenched: each is the result of more than 1,100 responses.

Plus, let's be realistic: as much as DM Dave loves to spout off about his Ruby-Encrusted Powerseller status, he will not be willing to put the work in to retain (or regain) it. And we all know that making up his own shipping charges is the only reason Cougie is making any money at all on eBay ... so he'll continue to hover at his current level, or lower, in that DSR category. And that means Davie's days as a Powerseller are now literally numbered.  :jocolor:

BTW, here's his DSR chart as of a few minutes ago. It's the worst I've ever seen for anyone with a feedback over 100:

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I remember checking it about a month or so ago and seeing the shipping rating at 3.9. It's the first (and only) time I've seen a rating below 4 for any seller who had been on eBay for more than six months.

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:55 pm 
 

The communication rating is somehow actually a 4.4, not a 4.3.

That said: I wish you had taken a screenshot of the 3.9.  I've never seen a 3-star rating before. 8O

And entrenched is putting it mildly.  He's going to need 1143 5-star ratings (with no other low ratings) on shipping in order to even hope of making a 4.5. ;)


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:58 pm 
 

g026r wrote:The communication rating is somehow actually a 4.4, not a 4.3.

That said: I wish you had taken a screenshot of the 3.9.  I've never seen a 3-star rating before. 8O

And entrenched is putting it mildly.  He's going to need 1143 5-star ratings (with no other low ratings) on shipping in order to even hope of making a 4.5. ;)




Here is one from an old friend of the forum:



http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... llFeedback



Wihtout a doubt one of the worst sellers on Ebay and makes Dave in this instance actually look "good".  :roll:


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:03 pm 
 

Wow.  That's an... uhh... impressive dedication to ticking off customers. 8O


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:06 pm 
 

Wow, Creep's numbers are terrible.  8O

I have to admit: I'm liking today's announcements more and more. Yes, it's eBay, which means there's always some bad with the good ... and that there's usually someone reaching into your pocket ... but any policy changes that directly hurt idiots like Cougar and Creep are good changes.

And it doesn't get more "direct" than eBay saying to these morons: "You will be making less money now."   :)

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:18 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:
And it doesn't get more "direct" than eBay saying to these morons: "You will be making less money now."   :)


Just another excuse to raise S&H rates even higher now tho'. :x


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:23 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Just another excuse to raise S&H rates even higher now tho'. :x

True ... and, doubtless, Cougie will be even less forthcoming about answering those "ask for quote" emails than he already is.

I don't think all hope is lost, though. Note the number of times that "excessive shipping" is mentioned in those two announcements. For instance:

"Also, because excessive shipping and handling continues to be one of the biggest pain points for buyers, sellers with the worst DSRs for shipping and handling charges will see a decrease in their listings exposure, as well."

Now, I haven't seen this in action, obviously, but I think it will be great if Cougie's listings just aren't showing up in D&D searches. No one can even bid on his shit if they can't find it.  :)

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:38 pm 
 

Just noticed this one:

"Also, for a small number of these transactions paid with PayPal, when eBay suspects the transaction may result in a dissatisfied customer, PayPal will delay release of the payment funds to the seller until the buyer has left a positive feedback or 21 days have passed without a dispute."

This applies to sellers with the "worst" DSR scores ... and that's Cougar. Now he's got eBay/PayPal teaming up to tell him that it's totally up to them whether or not they hold on to his money for three weeks.  8O

Ouch! Hey, DM Dave ... you might want to start including the maps with all of those thrashed modules you sell.  :)

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:44 pm 
 

The sad fact of it all is that some of these changes were made almost completely as a result of the consistant abuse of the feedback system by sellers like Cougar.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:07 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:The sad fact of it all is that some of these changes were made almost comletely as a result of the consistant abuse of the feedback system by sellers like Cougar.

No argument there.

I gotta say, though: I am thrilled that some of today's announcements should affect Cougie (and idiots like him; he's not the only douche-nozzle out there).

I think of it this way: the Cougar of 1/28/08 took advantage of enough loopholes to basically run his own little lawless eBay empire. The Cougar of 1/29/08** is going to be penalized in search results, have some of his funds held for three weeks, lose his Powerseller status, and be unable to use his favorite weapon of leaving nasty and undeserved negative feedback.

Those are all good things. Finally, the Karma Missiles are beginning to land.

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**Yes, I know the actual changes are coming later in the year ... but today is the day that DM Dave is staring at his monitor in disbelief.

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:07 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:I am thrilled that some of today's announcements should affect Cougie ...

OTOH, it is a shame that many of the announcements also affect sellers who are honest, trustworthy, and reliable. You know: everything that DM Dave is not.

See this parallel thread for more on that:

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:43 pm 
 

This worries me somewhat. I normally leave a four star rating unless the service is exceptional. I leave a fair number of five stars, and the occaisional lower rating, but personally I wouldn't regard four stars as anything bad.

I'm suddenly worried that I've let down a few perfectly good sellers with my four star ratings  :cry:

  


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:11 pm 
 

I totally agree. I've left a number of four-star reviews myself, and I never considered it a "bad thing" ... more like, "the service was fine, if, perhaps, not spectacular."

Typical of eBay, though, to come out of nowhere and announce that these stars will now be tied into a number of important features.

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:13 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:I totally agree. I've left a number of four-star reviews myself, and I never considered it a "bad thing" ... more like, "the service was fine, if, perhaps, not spectacular."

Typical of eBay, though, to come out of nowhere and announce that these stars will now be tied into a number of important features.


I've had to go out on the street hat in hand begging...basically, attaching a small paragraph to my payment confirmations pleading for Five stars...or nothing. Anything less is bad, it will drag down my rating, and will cost me money (as it will any other seller). I've also starting leaving Five Stars for every single seller I've dealt with...I look at it as a kick in the nuts to Ebay, as I'm sure they implemented this policy knowing it's impossible to stay at 5.0 for any length of time...and knowing the sellers would pay more, accordingly.  I'd ask all the people on this board buying to do the same....unless your service was just perfectly atrocious.

I currently have a shipping time star of 4.4.....due almost entirely, I feel, to foreign buyers, since they've been the only ones to ever complain about shipments taking too long.  I don't believe any of the Italian, French, UK, Aussie, etc buyers that waited for something that took several weeks (almost certainly because of customs) thought they were doing a thing wrong giving me four stars....or maybe even three.  It's human nature not to give a "highest" rating to something you are not 100% happy about, and personally if I had towait several weeks for something to arrive, I really wouldn't be 100% happy.

I will, however, take a long look at shipping to certain countries (mainly, Australia, Italy and Greece) that take the longest times if this continues...I really at this point think the money I lose from not having the discount will even itself out for not selling to these three countries only if circumstances warrant.  

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:54 pm 
 

I agree with BadMike on this.

The new ebay scoring system cannot help but hurt ALL big ebay sellars in the long run, especially the ones who ship more overseas sales.

Even though I am not now and never have been a sellar. I can see how some US sellars would totally and completely stop selling out of the USA, and possibly Canada/Mexico.

Most folks are impatient with the obvious time it will always take to get past customs and will always give a low shipping rating for something that is completely outside any sellars control.

This new scoring system is no friend to any big sellar.


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:12 pm 
 

I don't know . . . Global Priority almost always arrives within 6 business days (and usually much less).  I have gotten nothing but rave feedback from international customers over the years for the quick delivery . . .

I only ship GPM . . . I also ship everything within two days Max . . . I guess that is the hard part for really busy sellers.

 To bump up your international delivery times, I would strongly suggest a same day or next day ship policy.  It blows the customer away every time!   :D  (Okay, I realize that is not always practical for some)  . . . maybe make sure that international orders get shipped right away and delay domestic shipping if the package load is too great?


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