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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:56 pm 
 

I was wondering when the term Role-Playing Games was first mentioned.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:45 pm 
 

I'm sure the term "role-playing" has been around for a long long time - long before what we consider rpgs.  I'm sure there were also "role-playing" games as well where you would act out as someone else.

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:35 pm 
 

Here's a post on the subject:

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:29 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:Here's a post on the subject:

viewtopic.php?t=5969


I'm pretty sure the term dates farther back than the early 70s.  I would guess at least back to the 1940s in the pschological sense and probably back centuries if you want a literal definition of "role play".

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:01 am 
 

MAR Barker's definition of the RPG: "interactive and cooperative oral fiction."  The idea of the RPG may have been around before D&D, but Gygax and Arneson should get the credit for bringing it to mainstream consciousness.  They changed the nature of storytelling from a passive, one-way form of communication, to an active, two-way form.  They'll go down in the history books one day as more and more people engage in gaming and social networking/community RPGs.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:15 am 
 

VermilionFire wrote:The idea of the RPG may have been around before D&D, but Gygax and Arneson should get the credit for bringing it to mainstream consciousness.


No arguments here.  I just want to clarify that I think in a psychological sense the term "role playing" has been a practice used since the 1940s or before.  And if you take the term "role play" which basically is just someone acting as someone else, this probably goes farther back than Shakespeare with actors on a stage.

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:51 pm 
 

Certainly actors on a stage role play so role-playing has a very long history, but the concept of interactive and cooperative storytelling is a recent innovation as far as I know, to which a lion's share of credit should go to Gygax and Arneson.  From MUDs to MMORPGs to future "holodeck" environments, all trace their origin back to D&D.  I think one day a woodgrain box will end up in the Smithsonian as a seminal event in American and entertainment history.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:00 pm 
 

VermilionFire wrote:MAR Barker's definition of the RPG: "interactive and cooperative oral fiction."


Isn't that the same as a 69 that never happens?
Roleplaying probably traces back even further. I would think psychiatrists have been using it for ages. However, as far as gaming, D&D would be a candidate for the first.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:31 am 
 

Mars wrote:I just want to clarify that I think in a psychological sense the term "role playing" has been a practice used since the 1940s or before.


Very true, but what I've described at viewtopic.php?t=5969 is not just roleplaying but roleplaying formed into a game, including dice to resolve events. The prepared scenarios have referee-only material & settings derived from fantasy fiction.

While the particular book I've quoted is from 1973, it is a compilation of stuff dating back to 1963, time enough for the concept to be picked up by wargamers. The popularity of wargaming on college campuses puts it in an environment where ideas could easily filter down from flakebrains in the Psychology Department.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:31 am 
 

From going through my Dragon Archives. The term "Role-playing Games" starts to appear after Februray 1976. Metamorphosis Alpha has the term in its intro, while Greyhawk and Blackmoor don't. Strategic Review Vol 2 No. 1 doesn't mention the term while Strategic Review Vol 2 No. 2 does several times. This includes a question on a survey where they ask what type of game people play. The example giving of RPGs were D&D, EPT, and Engarde.

  
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