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Post Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:52 pm 
 

I stopped buying editions after the 3rd came out so I'm not up on the changes the game has gone through.  

I saw this on YouTube and was scratching my head...

Published on Oct 6, 2020
Dungeons and Dragons has gone beyond woke and is systematically picking at what makes the game great.

D&D Gets 1000% WOKE & RUINS The Game - YouTube

is this 5th edition?


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Post Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:09 pm 
 

Yes, it is happening...

  

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:14 am 
 

Not sure I see what the issue is that he is ranting about?

No negative modifiers based on race, but there are still positive modifiers. This is just general power creep that has been a part of the game's evolution almost since the first supplement was published.

I just don't see the "SJW" angle here that this guy is so sensitive to. Somehow Orcs not being "inherently dumb" or Kobolds "inherently weak" offends him. I do not understand how anyone can get so worked up over this silly game we enjoy.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:45 am 
 

Female musculature maxes out below that of the male, and the female skeleton breaks before the male skeleton does, so why pretend that there is no difference in the sex you choose for your character when it comes to fighters? Butt magic I suppose.
Surely if a person refuses to accept that males and females are physically different biological entities, they is inherently sexist people?
Now, up until 10 mins ago, I had never known that there were people who thought orcs were a metaphor for 'black people'! Is that really a thing over you there? How dumb are these people, and surely people that dumb are incapable for understanding math, and therefor unable to play the game. So how are they capable of working for publishers?
The US race bate wars is just this century's version of the Satanic Christian outrage of the 80's I suppose. Just point at the socialists and laugh.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:05 am 
 

Just some weird dude on youtube. I would not worry at all.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:51 am 
 

Probably best to ignore stuff like this.
Corporations have to do what they have to do and, as always, a minority kick up a fuss. There are people on both sides of this argument (and a million other arguments like it in any subject or field of interest that you care to name).
Society will move forward in fits  and starts and will hopefully get generally better with more inclusivity and less hate. This is, of course, by no means a given and all we can do as individuals is try and do the   best we can and in small ways make the world a better place. Some will argue that by ignoring these issues we are compounding an injustice etc etc - let them think that , it's fine as long as you know that they are wrong.
Remembers, haters  gonna hate, idiots are pretty much always going to be idiots and outright scumbags and edgelords are always going to be just that.

(As an aside, this guy Jeremy, The Quartering - his videos and attitudes are a good reason to ignore the internet. If you can stomach it go back a few years and see why WOTC literally took away his toys and why he got punched at GenCon.((and while looking also remember that he is making a living out if this and probably a more lucrative one than any rpg professional that you care to name; a sad world indeed  8O ))


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:00 am 
 

red_bus wrote in Is this really happening?:Just some weird dude on youtube. I would not worry at all.

I've actually seen this similar discussions about the 'wokeness' and virtue signalling of the WoTC writers on a number of channels, including interviews at Con's of the public. They want to create a game that does not exclude anyone, no matter how racist of bigoted they are. They want a game where everyone is equal and everyone can be friends, and the way we deal with conflict should not immediately be with conflict but with discussion and a coming together of minds, hence the move away from epic heroism in 4E towards a more traditional focus on problem solving in 5E. Some would say a reversion in the direction of the origins of D&D. Which, if true, just goes to show how dumb corporate wan.. wokers really are.

So we have a female dragon, a male orc, a female halfling, and a male dark-elf, and assuming they all role the same 3d6's, none of them have any preference or propensity towards any alignment, because they are all best buddies, and they are all equally capable and equally suited to any given class. That does defy logic, unless we use the butt magic excuse. Next they'll be eliminating charisma because it creates bigotry towards ugly characters. Maybe they need to remove intelligence too, because it's offensive to dumb people.

Woke D&D.... You are a magical androgynous being of worth, the same worth as every other being you meet in this game. Your friends are all mighty social justice warriors and you are on a quest to bring happiness and light to the realm. If you roll a 4 don't worry, you won't miss because every action is a winner.

gyg wrote in Is this really happening?:If you can stomach it go back a few years and see why WOTC literally took away his toys and why he got punched at GenCon.

Did anyone put that on YouTube? That'd be worth seeing.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:58 am 
 

red_bus wrote in Is this really happening?:Just some weird dude on youtube. I would not worry at all.


I saw a couple of 'kids' doing a review of oriental adventures not too long ago get all bent out of shape about it which was hard to watch.  Being different is what makes us great.  I had never seen this guy before and was searching for D&D zoom playing videos to see how or if it was worth looking into.  Seeing the same stuff going on in movies has made me more 'aware' of it.  I guess it's a sign of the times.   :(

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:00 am 
 

red_bus wrote in Is this really happening?:Just some weird dude on youtube. I would not worry at all.


Agreed.  This is a nothing burger, a troll topic.  These are not the droids you are looking for.  Some people have spent too much time on the internet during the corona pandemic.  :?


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:08 am 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in Is this really happening?:I guess it's a sign of the times.   :(

I guess we only have ourselves to blame. We (collectively) raised and educated these self entitled whining snowflakes. It's just bad parenting if your children turn out that way. Of course, if your children are gamers, the odds are high that they did not.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:34 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Is this really happening?:I guess we only have ourselves to blame...


Very true.

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:07 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote in Is this really happening?:I've actually seen this similar discussions about the 'wokeness' and virtue signalling of the WoTC writers on a number of channels, including interviews at Con's of the public. They want to create a game that does not exclude anyone, no matter how racist of bigoted they are. They want a game where everyone is equal and everyone can be friends, and the way we deal with conflict should not immediately be with conflict but with discussion and a coming together of minds, hence the move away from epic heroism in 4E towards a more traditional focus on problem solving in 5E. Some would say a reversion in the direction of the origins of D&D. Which, if true, just goes to show how dumb corporate wan.. wokers really are.

So we have a female dragon, a male orc, a female halfling, and a male dark-elf, and assuming they all role the same 3d6's, none of them have any preference or propensity towards any alignment, because they are all best buddies, and they are all equally capable and equally suited to any given class. That does defy logic, unless we use the butt magic excuse. Next they'll be eliminating charisma because it creates bigotry towards ugly characters. Maybe they need to remove intelligence too, because it's offensive to dumb people.

Woke D&D.... You are a magical androgynous being of worth, the same worth as every other being you meet in this game. Your friends are all mighty social justice warriors and you are on a quest to bring happiness and light to the realm. If you roll a 4 don't worry, you won't miss because every action is a winner.

That people don't see these changes as patronizing, or worse, newspeak, is alarming in and of itself. That's okay, I guess. We had a good run.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:10 am 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote in Is this really happening?:That people don't see these changes as patronizing, or worse, newspeak, is alarming in and of itself.


We spent decades training them not to.
The very fact that you can choose the sex of your character is disgusting. That we are permitted to have a barmaid in a tavern, rather than a bar person or a server? We all need to embrace the fact that science has proven that players and their characters are not born with genders... And those same scientists and their students have proven that the world is flat, being destroyed by cow farts and coal, and that crime is caused by successful people stealing and oppressing poor people. That's D&D at it's core.... A flat earth where you run around and kill things to take their treasure.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:41 pm 
 

This is just a massive troll. WoTC are doing what they have to for shareholders. Wokeness isn't a big part of current D&D and its not destroying it.

4e was crap and 5e isn't much better - buts its not because of any "Woke Drive" by the big brass at WoTC.

D&D is getting weaker because all things do with time. And because they are, more and more, unhooking it from our culture (nerd culture) and making it more the tabletop game the whole family can play.

Which is fine, nothing forces me to play that way. And this enables lots more money to be invested by WoTC and their competitiors - which may result in some good shit coming out.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:20 am 
 

... And yet I've just become aware of the whole ZakS thing and the downing of LotFP, which, without any evidence seems to be the leftist woke millennial fascist cancel culture machine terrifying the RPG industry into destroying ZakS and anyone who wouldn't go along with their agenda. Is there no requirement in the millennial mind for evidence and fact to exist before forming an opinion? Have we completely destroyed their ability to think for themselves? But then I guess that inability to think and refusal to accept facts as being real is why America's cities are burning. From a society's point of view, it is better and cheaper to devastate a few policemen's families lives than to allow whole communities to be devastated by those wan... wokers. It might not be a serious in WoTC or at the game table, but the cities are burning and the world is watching. It's the same thing. Self-entitles snowflakes deciding national socialism and fascism are the way forward.


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:54 am 
 

There is a very silent majority that will show its true colors come election day (by voting for sane representatives no matter if they have a D or R by their name).  I only wish that same majority wouldn't bury its head in the sand the other 364 days of the year.  The burning of cities and neighborhoods is lunacy and it baffles me why it's allowed to continue pretty much unabated. It really is a sad state of affairs how a couple of terrible police interactions outweigh the 99.99% of their good ones.  Are there social injustices? Absolutely, but i believe they are colorblind and not relegated to a single race.  I of course lay this at the feet of media and their constant fanning of the flames of disruption and anarchy.  Their bias (to both sides of the political spectrum) has become unwatchable and is largely ignored by myself.  I guess a self realization is that I too am one of those people with my head in the sand for not calling my representatives and screaming WTF are you doing about this nonsense?

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:01 pm 
 

It's amusing as an outside how much people in the US love this sort of thing.
It's funny how they don't want the police to exist and then scream when police don't turn up to help them at their house.
It's funny how they burn their own neighbourhoods down and wonder why they live in sh!tholes.
And the only winners are the arms dealers who's sales go through the roof with every news broadcast.
And facts? F"ck the facts. There is no room for truth in 'woke America'.


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:56 pm 
 

Sir Kill Alot wrote in Is this really happening?:There is a very silent majority that will show its true colors come election day (by voting for sane representatives no matter if they have a D or R by their name).  I only wish that same majority wouldn't bury its head in the sand the other 364 days of the year.  The burning of cities and neighborhoods is lunacy and it baffles me why it's allowed to continue pretty much unabated. It really is a sad state of affairs how a couple of terrible police interactions outweigh the 99.99% of their good ones.  Are there social injustices? Absolutely, but i believe they are colorblind and not relegated to a single race.  I of course lay this at the feet of media and their constant fanning of the flames of disruption and anarchy.  Their bias (to both sides of the political spectrum) has become unwatchable and is largely ignored by myself.  I guess a self realization is that I too am one of those people with my head in the sand for not calling my representatives and screaming WTF are you doing about this nonsense?

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It’s not that the bad interactions outweigh the good.  It’s that the perceived accountability is “go fuck yourself” for the bad.  Racism is real in the USA, it systemic, and this upheaval is cyclical.  It seems to get a little less “extreme” every decade, so progress I guess?  I think laying the blame soley at the feet of the media is disingenuous.  The media has existed in some fashion forever.  Protecting it was even part of the founding thought process.  Blame the fucking internet and anonymity and the ability to say shit to an audience that if you said in person would get you punched in the mouth some years ago.  Civility, meh?

Anyway, sorry, wrong forum, wrong set of concerns.  If someone comes at you sideways with shit you 110% don’t agree with, choke back the “fight” response and listen for a minute.  You still will probably disagree but we’ll all be in a better place.  People just want to be heard.

  
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