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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:29 pm 
 

In OD&D Supplement I Greyhawk, the inside cover art features a Lizard-man armed w/ a halberd. In the 2013 WOTC re-issue (ISBN: 978-0-7869-6465-9) which is the basis for the currently available .pdf on drivethrurpg.com the Lizard-man's right foot has been tragicly cropped off.

How can I get a complete copy of this piece of art and when was the point of divergence from the original piece of art? What do orginal printings look like?

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:49 am 
 

TGMoore wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:In OD&D Supplement I Greyhawk, the inside cover art features a Lizard-man armed w/ a halberd. In the 2013 WOTC re-issue (ISBN: 978-0-7869-6465-9) which is the basis for the currently available .pdf on drivethrurpg.com the Lizard-man's right foot has been tragicly cropped off.

How can I get a complete copy of this piece of art and when was the point of divergence from the original piece of art? What do orginal printings look like?

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Looking at this belt buckle, it doesn't look like it was cropped off, it looks as though that may have been how it was originally drawn:
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:57 am 
 

MadCatUSA wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:
TGMoore wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:In OD&D Supplement I Greyhawk, the inside cover art features a Lizard-man armed w/ a halberd. In the 2013 WOTC re-issue (ISBN: 978-0-7869-6465-9) which is the basis for the currently available .pdf on drivethrurpg.com the Lizard-man's right foot has been tragicly cropped off.

How can I get a complete copy of this piece of art and when was the point of divergence from the original piece of art? What do orginal printings look like?

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Looking at this belt buckle, it doesn't look like it was cropped off, it looks as though that may have been how it was originally drawn:
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The letterhead and the t-shirt both have a black area not shown in the 2013 reprint. The mystery picture I found via google image search clearly depicts a 3rd claw. I'm curious what an orginal printing looks like.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:46 pm 
 

TGMoore wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:
MadCatUSA wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:
Looking at this belt buckle, it doesn't look like it was cropped off, it looks as though that may have been how it was originally drawn:
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The letterhead and the t-shirt both have a black area not shown in the 2013 reprint. The mystery picture I found via google image search clearly depicts a 3rd claw. I'm curious what an orginal printing looks like.


Ex-TSR would be better positioned to comment on this than I would. However, I would surmise that there may have been multiple versions of relatively the same drawing made during the time period. At the time, it would have been somewhat difficult (though not impossible) to accurately reproduce a hand drawn image repeatedly without introducing some types of errors.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:30 pm 
 

Both of my true 1st printings of Greyhawk show the full foot, with five total toes visible---the first three are white/foreground, the last two are black silhouette/background.  I'll post a picture over the weekend if someone else doesn't beat me to it.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:00 pm 
 

grodog wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:Both of my true 1st printings of Greyhawk show the full foot, with five total toes visible---the first three are white/foreground, the last two are black silhouette/background.  I'll post a picture over the weekend if someone else doesn't beat me to it.

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Mine too, Allan.  Here is a pic of the full Lizard-Man logo from my 1st print Greyhawk Supplement I.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:30 pm 
 

11th Printing looks to be cut off. But this might not be consistent throughout the print run. I just want a nice complete copy I can frame. Is it out of line to ask for a scan of the complete image here?

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:54 pm 
 

Carefully lift the bottom of the cover from the rest of the book a little (or it might work to look at the inside back cover). The missing appendages should be there, just that the printing is a bit off to the right, so the pages obscure the art.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:19 pm 
 

SimperingToad wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:Carefully lift the bottom of the cover from the rest of the book a little (or it might work to look at the inside back cover). The missing appendages should be there, just that the printing is a bit off to the right, so the pages obscure the art.


The Toad clearly shaves with Occam's razor :-).


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:38 pm 
 

SimperingToad wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:Carefully lift the bottom of the cover from the rest of the book a little (or it might work to look at the inside back cover). The missing appendages should be there, just that the printing is a bit off to the right, so the pages obscure the art.


That's not my copy. Found the picture on eBay. I merely have the .pdf :-(

  

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:02 pm 
 

Skullhammer wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:
SimperingToad wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:Carefully lift the bottom of the cover from the rest of the book a little (or it might work to look at the inside back cover). The missing appendages should be there, just that the printing is a bit off to the right, so the pages obscure the art.


The Toad clearly shaves with Occam's razor :-).

HaH!  :D  Maybe not as much as thought at first. Or perhaps different. I just took a look at my original hard copy (3rd print), and the photo is cropped at the foot. It is clear the original art had the entire foot, but to prevent art from showing on the back cover, it would have naturally been cropped. When they did the reprints, the scan was likely made from a copy that was cropped.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:23 pm 
 

The OD&D reprint should have gone out of its way to replace all the David Bell artwork. His pieces are truly cringe-worthy.



  


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:27 pm 
 

Traveller wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:The OD&D reprint should have gone out of its way to replace all the David Bell artwork. His pieces are truly cringe-worthy.


Appearing as it does in an online forum for people who collect cringe-worthy folk art, your comment leads me to believe I've gotten it wrong all these years. I've been buying these small-press items to look at the amateur art & writing, but I should have been trying to correct the mistakes of history. With enough white-out & pen ink, I could cover over all the bad drawings in my collection. That's a good idea - I'll start right away.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:23 pm 
 

Traveller wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:The OD&D reprint should have gone out of its way to replace all the David Bell artwork. His pieces are truly cringe-worthy.



You are talking about  what is called a revision not a reprint I'd argue. I thought the Lizard-man was by Greg Bell? I quite like it.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:35 pm 
 

@sauromatian: In this particular case, where Hasbro went and replaced the covers, they should have simply gone all the way here. It would have done the reprint a world of good. To call Bell's work art is to do a disservice to art itself. I've seen amateurs younger than Bell presumably was when he drew this crap do a better job.

@TGMoore: Of course, but given that the covers on the reprints are not original in the first place, it's a moot point. And yes, I think you're right in that his first name is Greg. Dunno where I got "David" from, but if sauromatian has any say about it, he would probably remark that it came from the same place my opinion of Bell's chicken scratches came from, my ass.



  


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:38 pm 
 

Traveller wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot: but if sauromatian has any say about it, he would probably remark that it came from the same place my opinion of Bell's chicken scratches came from, my ass.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:49 pm 
 

If you want to disagree with my opinion that's one thing. Mocking my opinion because it's one you do not like it is something totally different. Fortunately, your disrespect isn't something I take personally as I've come to expect it here. So I'm not going to lose any sleep over your lame attempts at comedy taken at my expense, because it simply shows that you're unable to have a meaningful discussion on the merits of art.

You win. Enjoy your victory, hollow as it is.



  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:00 pm 
 

Traveller wrote in OD&D: The case of the Missing Lizard-Man foot:@sauromatian: In this particular case, where Hasbro went and replaced the covers, they should have simply gone all the way here. It would have done the reprint a world of good. To call Bell's work art is to do a disservice to art itself. I've seen amateurs younger than Bell presumably was when he drew this crap do a better job.

@TGMoore: Of course, but given that the covers on the reprints are not original in the first place, it's a moot point. And yes, I think you're right in that his first name is Greg. Dunno where I got "David" from, but if sauromatian has any say about it, he would probably remark that it came from the same place my opinion of Bell's chicken scratches came from, my ass.


Seems to me I read somewhere, or maybe it was one of the Dorks of Yore interviews with Tim Kask where he said that a lot (read almost all) of Greg Bell's work was almost directly copied from popular comic books of the time.

  
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