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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:37 pm 
 

Just heard a rumour that Dave sold a few pieces of art about a week before he passed away to some store. One of the pieces was the cover to the players handbook. Just a rumour mind you. Anybody else here this?


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:01 pm 
 

I wonder if the rumour is confused and that the piece of art is the cover of the DM screen rather than the PH?

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:06 pm 
 

Yes you must be correct!  Rumours do have a way of distorting the facts.  I will correct the guy that told me :)


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:35 am 
 

I think Gary had the PHB cover---I have a picture on my Kindle of him in his office with it hanging behind him.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:35 am 
 

I'm planning to drive down to Carbondale and visit Castle Perilous this weekend... I'm keen to see the original Wormy strips. I emailed the owner of the store last week and he seems pretty friendly, so hopefully I'll be able to chat with him and hear a little on what happened with Tramp.

Scott (the store owner) tells me he has three Wormy strips plus some B&W interiors Tramp did for the Star Frontiers game.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:45 am 
 

I've never been to Castle Perilous, but I've been following their Facebook page ever since we learned of Trampier's death.  They seem like a really good institution:  running food drives, costume contests, in-store games, encouragement of small and local businesses, adopt a pet, and lots more.  They've been around a long time and if they were good enough for Tramp, they're good enough for me  :D   It sounds like Tramp was selling art for three reasons:  he trusted Perilous, he was looking at medical issues, and he was testing the waters for a return to the gaming scene.

That last bit is the most painful for me; it sounds like he was planning on showing Wormy at a local con (Egypt Wars 2014) and also considering publication when he was taken from us.  As I posted on the DAT fan page, "I think it will have to be enough for us to know that he was trying to come back on his own terms, in his own way. He had one foot over the threshold ... let it remain there."

Hopefully something can be worked out with heirs, we'll just have to see.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:02 pm 
 

..maybe If you re-read one of the stories that were originally linked you might be able maybe get more details :roll: .. just saying..

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:20 pm 
 

I drove down to Carbondale yesterday, and went to see Scott at Castle Perilous. Scott seems like a great guy - he's been running the store for 10-15 years I think. In that time he met Tramp a total of three times - once back in 2008 or so when Valley Games published an updated version of Titan, Dave dropped by the store to take a look at what they did to his game; then he came by again about 6 months ago, and again about a month back.

Six months ago he came into the store and asked if he could put up a flyer - he had a few pieces of artwork he wanted to sell. The flyer advertised the DM screen piece, plus some Star Frontiers interiors. He called the store after a week to see if there had been any interest - there had not. But Scott said he'd like to buy a few pieces, and went to Dave's home and bought the SF interiors, and also a painting that was originally slated to be the box cover art for Titan (it was changed out to the minotaur with flail at the last minute).

Then a month back, Dave called the store and asked Scott if he was interested in any more art - the DM screen was still available, and he was also planning to sell three Wormy originals plus an abstract piece he had. Scott went to Dave's home again and purchased the DM screen and the three Wormy's. While he was there he invited Dave to attend the local convention that was coming up in mid April - and Dave tentatively agreed to come along and display his art.

A week before the convention Scott tried to call Dave to arrange the display for that weekend, but got no answer - and the next day he saw the obituary in the local paper.

I talked to Scott for a while - he's a friendly guy, he grew up playing D&D and has a lot of respect for Tramp. He tried to line Dave up with Troll Lord Games to get the Wormy compilation published, but ran out of time. He has spoken to Dave's wife and passed on the TLG details - he says that she seems interested in getting something done, but who knows. Apart from the three Wormy panels that Scott bought (and would make available for any project), the other panels are all safe and in storage.

The art itself is as you would expect - fantastically done. The DM screen was done primarily in marker I think, maybe with some acrylics also - it's unbelievable the results he got, it's an amazing piece of art. The Wormy strips are brilliant - superb colouring and attention to detail.

Dave didn't talk at all to Scott about his time at TSR, except that he was adamant that any current initiative to publish Wormy today could not use TSR, WotC or any affiliated company. Scott says he didn't seem angry, or bitter - just that he chooses not to have any dealings with those companies.

Scott says that Dave arrived in Carbondale aound 1995 or so. He drove a cab for quite some time, until the company he drove for went under a year or two back due to some shady tax practices by the owner. Since then I'm not sure how he made ends meet - I'm guessing that the recent moves to sell some of his art was at least partly necessitated by the need to eat, as well as medical treatment.

I took a drive while I was in town, and went by Dave's house, and the old taxi cooperative. Apart from the college, there isn't much else keeping Carbondale on the map. Although I asked Scott where I could get something to eat for lunch, and he recommended a vegetarian place down the street which turned out to be much better than I was expecting - really great food and atmosphere.

Since he updated his blog on the Castle Perilous website, Scott has received a couple of offers to buy the artwork - serious money type offers, especially for the DM screen piece. So far he has decided to keep hold of the colour pieces but I think he would be prepared to sell the SF art.

I was there for maybe 2-3 hours in all - Carbondale is 350 miles away so a pretty long day by the time I got home. I was really glad I went though, Scott is a great guy and was happy to tell me all he knew about David, and seeing the artwork up close was phenomenal. I hope that Dave's widow is able to connect with a suitable publisher like TLG and work out a deal that would see the Wormy compilation appear 25 years after it should have.

I suggested to Scott that if possible, it would be great if he could make the trip up to LG for next year's GaryCon, and put up a display of the artwork he has. He says he will try and get there next year if his schedule allows it.

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:41 pm 
 

mdr003 wrote in Just heard a rumour about Dave Trampier:I drove down to Carbondale yesterday, and went to see Scott at Castle Perilous. Scott seems like a great guy - he's been running the store for 10-15 years I think. In that time he met Tramp a total of three times - once back in 2008 or so when Valley Games published an updated version of Titan, Dave dropped by the store to take a look at what they did to his game; then he came by again about 6 months ago, and again about a month back.

Six months ago he came into the store and asked if he could put up a flyer - he had a few pieces of artwork he wanted to sell. The flyer advertised the DM screen piece, plus some Star Frontiers interiors. He called the store after a week to see if there had been any interest - there had not. But Scott said he'd like to buy a few pieces, and went to Dave's home and bought the SF interiors, and also a painting that was originally slated to be the box cover art for Titan (it was changed out to the minotaur with flail at the last minute).

Then a month back, Dave called the store and asked Scott if he was interested in any more art - the DM screen was still available, and he was also planning to sell three Wormy originals plus an abstract piece he had. Scott went to Dave's home again and purchased the DM screen and the three Wormy's. While he was there he invited Dave to attend the local convention that was coming up in mid April - and Dave tentatively agreed to come along and display his art.

A week before the convention Scott tried to call Dave to arrange the display for that weekend, but got no answer - and the next day he saw the obituary in the local paper.

I talked to Scott for a while - he's a friendly guy, he grew up playing D&D and has a lot of respect for Tramp. He tried to line Dave up with Troll Lord Games to get the Wormy compilation published, but ran out of time. He has spoken to Dave's wife and passed on the TLG details - he says that she seems interested in getting something done, but who knows. Apart from the three Wormy panels that Scott bought (and would make available for any project), the other panels are all safe and in storage.

The art itself is as you would expect - fantastically done. The DM screen was done primarily in marker I think, maybe with some acrylics also - it's unbelievable the results he got, it's an amazing piece of art. The Wormy strips are brilliant - superb colouring and attention to detail.

Dave didn't talk at all to Scott about his time at TSR, except that he was adamant that any current initiative to publish Wormy today could not use TSR, WotC or any affiliated company. Scott says he didn't seem angry, or bitter - just that he chooses not to have any dealings with those companies.

Scott says that Dave arrived in Carbondale aound 1995 or so. He drove a cab for quite some time, until the company he drove for went under a year or two back due to some shady tax practices by the owner. Since then I'm not sure how he made ends meet - I'm guessing that the recent moves to sell some of his art was at least partly necessitated by the need to eat, as well as medical treatment.

I took a drive while I was in town, and went by Dave's house, and the old taxi cooperative. Apart from the college, there isn't much else keeping Carbondale on the map. Although I asked Scott where I could get something to eat for lunch, and he recommended a vegetarian place down the street which turned out to be much better than I was expecting - really great food and atmosphere.

Since he updated his blog on the Castle Perilous website, Scott has received a couple of offers to buy the artwork - serious money type offers, especially for the DM screen piece. So far he has decided to keep hold of the colour pieces but I think he would be prepared to sell the SF art.

I was there for maybe 2-3 hours in all - Carbondale is 350 miles away so a pretty long day by the time I got home. I was really glad I went though, Scott is a great guy and was happy to tell me all he knew about David, and seeing the artwork up close was phenomenal. I hope that Dave's widow is able to connect with a suitable publisher like TLG and work out a deal that would see the Wormy compilation appear 25 years after it should have.

I suggested to Scott that if possible, it would be great if he could make the trip up to LG for next year's GaryCon, and put up a display of the artwork he has. He says he will try and get there next year if his schedule allows it.

Regards
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Man, this makes me sad. It sounds like Tramp's few for sale pieces went to a good home. I hope his wife can be provided for by his work (I believe his wife should be Tom Wham's sister). How freaking sad he starts to get back to his artwork and doesn't get the chance. I hope his life away from it was happy.


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:52 pm 
 

Thank you for the details.  I've waited for In the Shadow of Solomoriah for over 25 years, I can wait longer  :cry:

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:55 pm 
 

Great story Mike!  Fills in a lot of the blanks.  As Jason said, looks like the artwork went to a good home so we can be happy about that.  I think if Scott made it to Garycon he might gets some very interesting offers on some of that artwork!  It hurts twice as much to see how close Dave was to re-joining the gaming community there at the end.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:55 pm 
 

Hi, I am Scott from Castle Perilous Games & Books. Mike sent me the link to the boards so figured I would chime in with some more info about Trampier.

As Mike said, Dave had only come into the store once that I know, prior to the months before his death.  That was back about 2008, when he wanted to check out Valley Games' re-release of Titan. He introduced himself as the co-designed, not as an artist and was more interested in changes in the rules than in the art. Over the years, both, Steve Chenault from Troll Lord Games and Jolly Blackburn from Kenzer & Company/Knights of the Dinner Table had contacted him about publishing his work but he always politely said he was not interested.

The next time was a few months ago, when a notice offering original D&D art  by D. A. Trampier appeared on the store's bulletin board.  I had heard the taxi company he drove for had shut down and that he had recently suffered a stroke, so figured he was selling art to raise some cash. I knew there were very few gaming art collectors in the area, so doubted anyone would show any interest but waited a week to give first crack to anyone who really wanted it.  After a week, I called and found I was correct. No one had even called.  I told him I was interested and he invited me over.  Upshot is, after talking for a bit and discussing his interest in getting the Wormy collection in print, I bought all of the pieces he wanted to sell, at the initial price he asked.  Also gave him contact info for Steve at Troll Lord for help in publishing the Wormy collection.  However, since Dave was much more interested in publishing the book himself, I also passed along info about Kickstarter and IndieGoGo, neither of which he knew about.

I kept in contact with him, mainly through text, since texting didn't cost him anything, to see if he had contacted Troll Lord, but did not push hard as I didn't want to risk driving him away from the gaming industry again. Dave contacted me again in in March, indicating he needed some money quickly and asking if I would be interested in buying some more art.  He offered to sell me an original abstract painting and abstract sculpture that he had done in the last decade but my tastes don't run to abstract, so I passed and offered to just loan or give him the money he needed. He teared up at that and thanked me then pulled out 3 Wormy originals and offered to sell them. That I took him up on and we discussed further the Wormy collection.  he showed me a mock up of the book he had put together back in 1988 and it appeared he had discussed publishing it with Iron Crown Enterprises at the time. since he appeared to have gotten more receptive to the gaming industry, I asked if he would be interested in appearing at our local gaming convention, showing off his work and discussing the Wormy book. He agreed, if I would provided transportation, since he could no longer drive.  Of course, I said yes immediately.

I exchanged texts with him once more about the convention appearance, making sure he still planned to come.  He said yes but that he would not have anything to sell and would like to use the pieces I had purchased for display at his table. He also said that his doctors had found cancer but that it appeared in remission.  I tried contacting him via text again the week before the convention but no response and learned the next day that he had died peacefully from cancer of the lymph glads the previous Monday.

From what I have heard, the funeral home got swamped with calls and emails after his death, but, per his wife's request, gave out little to no information. His wife wanted a private service and had him cremated. I have spoken with her once since then regarding what she plans to do and if she needed any help. She said she would text me if she needed anything but i have not heard from her and when Mike and I drove by there Sunday, several of the items on the porch were gone so I have no idea if she still lives there. I plan on running by there this week and checking.

I have contacted Troll Lord Games about the possibility of making prints of the DM's Screen and they are checking with their lawyer regarding the possibility of it.

If you have any questions about Dave, feel free to post them here or send me an email.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:16 pm 
 

Hi Scott, thank you for all of the info.  It is greatly appreciated.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:58 pm 
 

my God...I don't enough of Tramp, or his life before or after TSR, but this story evokes so many emotions that it's hard to describe. It feels like a tragedy at a truly Shakespearean level.  :(

I hope that he finally found the peace he seemed to be searching for most of his life.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:47 am 
 

Thanks Mike and Scott for sharing this information. Touching.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:36 pm 
 

Some new discussion about Trampier's works and his attempt to publish Wormy at D&D General - Correspondence with David Trampier and A History of His 1985 Attempt to Crowdfund a Wormy Anthology | EN World | Dungeons & Dragons | Tabletop Roleplaying Games

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:38 am 
 

RIP Tramp. His and Russ Nicholson's artwork absolutely fascinated me as a young D&D player.

  
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