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Post Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:07 pm 
 

I've seen this from several sources so I believe it is true. One of the remaining legends of gaming has gone.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:11 pm 
 

Sad indeed.
His wisdom and knowledge was unmatched not just in Fantasy, but in many fields.

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Having watched the Dungeons & Dragons games started by Mike Mornard, one of the original testers for D&D, when he moved to Minneapolis from Lake Geneva, Barker resolved to create his own ruleset based on his own created world and the game mechanics from D&D. After six weeks, this was self-published in August 1974 as Empire of the Petal Throne and play commenced forthwith, including such occasional members as Dave Arneson - who singled-out Barker and Tekumel as being his favorite GM and roleplaying game, respectively - from early days.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:50 pm 
 

An incredibly impressive body of work he leaves behind.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:18 pm 
 

I really need to pick up more of his stuff.


And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:25 am 
 

Sad news.   :cry:   Safe trip, Mr. Barker.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:55 am 
 

RIP.


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:43 am 
 

The news are sad, indeed. I always admired the man, and part of me hoped I'd be able to meet him one day, and perhaps maybe sit in at one session of his famous thursday night group. Tékumel was a fantastic accomplishment. Anyone here ever tried learning Tsolyáni? Awesome, and difficult, language.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:05 am 
 

Not unexpected, but sad to see another legendary figure go.   :salut:


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:48 am 
 

This is a really sad month  :(

  

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:16 am 
 

Thank you for everything you contributed to the hobby and for sharing your world that continues to stir the imaginations of so many. My thoughts go out to you and your family. Rest in peace.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:07 pm 
 

Can someone tell me the relationship between MAR Barker, and Gary Gygax/TSR, and how EPT came about to be published?


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:20 pm 
 

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The Dungeoneer Journal #23 (Oct/Nov 1980) has a long interview with Barker that covers his relationship with TSR, if you happen to have that issue.

I quoted part of it in a thread over on OD&D Discussion:

There's an entire page devoted to his relationship with TSR. Essentially, TSR had a 20% royalty on EPT products, which Barker was ok with in the beginning, but eventually decided was too much, particularly when he wanted to write a planned EPT novel (presumably Man of Gold). He put off writing the novel until EPT sales had declined enough that TSR was willing to sell the rights.

Here's the first question and answer:
Judges Guild: In the early days, how well did you get along with TSR?

Barker: Oh...I wouldn't say badly. We got along quite well. I didn't have any difficulty corresponding with Gygax or contacting and talking with him on the phone. Now, of course, it is such a huge corporation that things are different. At the outset, he showed a great deal of interest and he made it very easy. It seemed that he was excited about having EPT and he wanted to develop it. He gave me opportunities to write stuff for the The Dragon and The Strategic Review and offered to publish stuff that I or other people put out on Tekumel. He kept this up for some time. I had no objections until it came to this problem on the nature of the royalties on my novel.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:08 am 
 

What would one say would be the definitive shortlist of items to get, to better immerse into the Petal Throne?

I have very little in this regard, having only the box set (2nd print) and The Book of Ebon Bindings (1st print).


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:20 am 
 

A lot more has been done with EPT than many realize.  Google EPT or Tekumel and you will find active groups and websites.

Some of the material was already expensive and is experiencing the traditional price jump due to the publicity after MAR Barker's death.

Swords and Glory Volume 1 and 2 published by Gamescience in the 80's are key along with EPT box set.  Quite a few manuals and supplements exist and they can range from very rare to fairly common.  It's not that hard to tell the difference with general web, amazon and ebay searches.  The common ones really are common.

I really wish I could get my group to play EPT, but no luck so far.

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:05 pm 
 

The Tomb Complex of Nereshanbo is a nice collectable low-level dungeon crawl from the early 80s, by Mark Pettigrew. The module provides dual stats for EPT and Swords & Glory in the back. It comes with the M.A.R. Barker seal of approval (a little logo inside the front cover). Pettigrew was otherwise unassociated with Barker's group(s). There are two printings - the original from 1984 by Tekumel Games and the 2nd print from 1997 by Tita's House of Games. I have a copy of the reprint which I got from Noble Knight. Tita's HoG also still has it in stock, I believe, although they have high shipping costs per item (and no combining), IIRC. The dungeon is one-level with a notable circular waterway that connects various rooms; reminds me a bit of the Holmes Sample Dungeon and could be used with D&D very easily.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:06 pm 
 

Thank you for being a true original, for sharing your dream, and for being faithful and cultivating your dream for us all until the end.  Very few men can say the same ... your legacy will endure.

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:17 am 
 

As a tribute to Professor Barker and his work, I've transcribed Dr. Holmes' review of EPT from his 1981 RPG book. I think it provides an excellent introduction to Tékumel for the uninitiated:

Holmes on Empire of the Petal Throne


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:22 am 
 

Thanks Zen - nicely done

I remember seeing all this "EPT stuff" at the Little Tin Soldier in Minneapolis during this period and thought it looked cool. Never had enough enough money back in those high school years to branch much beyond D&D though - regret it now.

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