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Post Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:51 pm 
 

When I ship overseas (or over the St. Lawrence) to a collector, I have to file a customs form declaring the type and value of the contents.  I presume that some countries use this to levy a duty or tariff or VAT on the item.  Is that true?  If so, how is it paid?

Conversely, what happens if I buy here in USA from an overseas source?

  

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:08 pm 
 

The recipient is responsible for payer such fees.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:08 pm 
 

The person receiving the goods pays any duty levied on the items tey are importing. In most countries declaring goods as 'used books' and not putting the word 'game' in the description avoids most customs issues as 'used books' do not attract customs charges in most countries but 'games' do. Usually the recipient will have to settle any charges before the courier or postal service hands over the package. Most buyers you meet will be fully aware of this and there is no expectation or obligation for the sender to pay or compensate the buyer for any charges associated with his importing of items he buys.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:53 pm 
 

If the item is coming from the US to Canada, then there are lots of factors.

In Canada, you can send an item that is $30 and under without getting taxed unless it is alcohol, tobacco, or books!  Techinically, all books should be taxed coming into Canada.  The rate depends on what province you are in - to Ontario its 13%.

However, if you ship by USPS, then generally they do not end up charging the tax (or the $5 fee to collect the tax).  I find using this method, I end up paying on less than 5% of packages I receive.

If you use a courier service, then the taxes will be charged 100% of the time and the courier will also add an obscenely large brokerage charge to bring the package across the border.  Avoid these at all costs IMO.  UPS charges you before you take possession of the package but Fedex often sends you a bill in the mail after you have accepted the package.

In these cases the buyer ends up paying the fees, etc.  However, if a package arrives by say UPS and the sender has put a customs value of $100 (because that's what insurance covered) then the brokerage fee of around $25 + tax applies.  The buyer, may then decide this is crazy and reject the package.  Since it has never been delivered successfully, Paypal will refund the buy back his money leaving the seller to pay shipping to the buyer and then back.

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:08 pm 
 

Good stuff!  

ebay uses the class "Merchandise".  I wonder how that affects things.  And I usually label stuff as "magazines"...

Fortunately I ship almost exclusively by USPS First Class Mail International.  The downside is that you can't track or insure it (can do signature confirmation).  I have to insure the high$$ stuff third-party.   Does the declared value (on the custom forms) need to correlate to the value declared to the third-party insurer?

  


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:40 pm 
 

As a buyer, this can occasionally come as a nasty surprise. If the value quoted is over the threshold (about £18 for UK customs I believe) then the package gets opened, VAT gets charged on the whole amount (20%) and a helpful "handling charge" of £8 is added. There's no right of reply - you either pay up or you don't get your stuff.

I've had this happen on a couple of occasions and couldn't see why it was necessary for them to open the package and charge me £8. Why not just charge me the VAT? One time it happened because the person who sent me the package just put the wrong amount in the box. As I said, no right of reply and maddeningly frustrating.

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:23 pm 
 

Woo.  I hope I didn't screw someone, then.  An Aussie bought a high-dollar book from me and I declared the full retail value (near $1000) to correspond to the insurance amount.  Haven't heard Aussie curse words, but then haven't heard anything else, either.

Bet this qualifies as a Catch-22.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:25 pm 
 

vosarnath wrote:As a buyer, this can occasionally come as a nasty surprise. If the value quoted is over the threshold (about £18 for UK customs I believe) then the package gets opened, VAT gets charged on the whole amount (20%) and a helpful "handling charge" of £8 is added. There's no right of reply - you either pay up or you don't get your stuff.

VAT is charged on the *shipping* into the UK as well if the contents of the package are over the threshold. Happy, happy...

For packages /into/ the UK, "Used Books", "Printed Matter", etc., is the way to go - zero rated for any purchase - but per Ian's note, not even "Used Game Books" since that often causes a charge to be raised despite the fact that should only apply to games with dice. Send the dice separately if they are below the threshold value in their own right on a second-hand RPG... Confusing is an understatement since pretty much all countries have different rules, limits, etc.

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