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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:32 pm 
 

Anyone in need of a research copy of the original tournament tomochan or ghost tower can PM me. I still have mine from my Greyhawk indexing research days.


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:34 pm 
 

Just curious, what was the format for those? Loose leaf? Bound somehow?


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:38 pm 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:Just curious, what was the format for those? Loose leaf? Bound somehow?


Mine were Lawrence Schick's copies. I'm not sure if they were part of these 50 DM's copies that I keep hearing about. They were light blue paper for the Lost Tomochan (sp) and light green for Ghost Tower. Loose leaf I believe but I will have to check.


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:44 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:Mine were Lawrence Schick's copies. I'm not sure if they were part of these 50 DM's copies that I keep hearing about. They were light blue paper for the Lost Tomochan (sp) and light green for Ghost Tower. Loose leaf I believe but I will have to check.


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The Lost Tamoachan or  Ghost Tower were made with loose leaf mimeographed paper inside a colored folder that was printed both front/back/inside.

The "DM" copies, were just those with "Dungeon Master" written in the upper left corner where others were numbers 1 through 300 all by hand.

There were fewer DM copies than numbered copies... so the DM copies might sell for $3000+ where number copies might be $2000 (we are talking really nice copies now.. think $1200~$1500 for numbered and ~$2500 for DM for many copies)

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:56 pm 
 

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The Lost Tamoachan or  Ghost Tower were made with loose leaf mimeographed paper inside a colored folder that was printed both front/back/inside.

The "DM" copies, were just those with "Dungeon Master" written in the upper left corner where others were numbers 1 through 300 all by hand.

There were fewer DM copies than numbered copies... so the DM copies might sell for $3000+ where number copies might be $2000 (we are talking really nice copies now.. think $1200~$1500 for numbered and ~$2500 for DM for many copies)

If you actually have some of these, let's talk.


Don't I know it... but back in '95 when I bought these they weren't going for anywhere near as much. A local game store bought a large collection of stuff from Lawrence Schick including these two tournament modules, 4 copies of Orange B3 and his original manuscript copy of the DMs guide. I paid $24 for the 4 Orange B3's and either $12 or $15 each for the tournament copies, and turned down the DM manuscript (filled with handwritten notes and corrections) for $75.

All long since sold for what was at the time the highest prices paid for B3's, and foolishly low prices for the tourneys. I did make what was an outlandish profit on all of them, but I copied them all for work on a Greyhawk index I was compiling.

What I have now are the copies of those originals, not the originals themselves. I am more than willing to pass on copies of the copies privately to those looking for them for research (such as I've used them for or play test).


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:02 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
Don't I know it... but back in '95 when I bought these they weren't going for anywhere near as much. A local game store bought a large collection of stuff from Lawrence Schick including these two tournament modules, 4 copies of Orange B3 and his original manuscript copy of the DMs guide. I paid $24 for the 4 Orange B3's and either $12 or $15 each for the tournament copies, and turned down the DM manuscript (filled with handwritten notes and corrections) for $75.


Was it DOKs where you got these? John kept trying to sell me a DDG in the mid-to-late nineties with Schick's signature. For $300 (I didn't bite :)). If so, I didn't realize he had purchased a bunch of stuff from LS.


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:09 pm 
 

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Was it DOKs where you got these? John kept trying to sell me a DDG in the mid-to-late nineties with Schick's signature. For $300 (I didn't bite :)). If so, I didn't realize he had purchased a bunch of stuff from LS.


Yeah, that is probably Schick's real signature. I bought a copy of Top Secret that has an adventure Schick wrote for home use or maybe a playtest copy in the box. I kept that one because it seemed so cool. They picked up a ton of stuff from Schick but most of it seemed to be just used TSR modules and boxed sets.


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JasonZavoda wrote:
Yeah, that is probably Schick's real signature. I bought a copy of Top Secret that has an adventure Schick wrote for home use or maybe a playtest copy in the box. I kept that one because it seemed so cool. They picked up a ton of stuff from Schick but most of it seemed to be just used TSR modules and boxed sets.


I didn't doubt it was a real signature; I just wasn't prepared to spend the $300 (poor student at the time :)), even though I had been wanting a DDG with squids since 1981. It would have cut too deeply into my grad student beer and MJ budget.

The Top Secret adventure sounds cool.

I forget what JC's connection with Schick was at the moment, though John explained it to me at one point (I wasn't that interested at the time, haha).


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:29 pm 
 

i wonder what lawrence schick was doing with a copy of the dmg? the one that we (me, blackmoor, invincibleoverlord-version 1) drove up over 3000 (that was won by invincibleoverlord) was jake jaquet's review copy.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:59 pm 
 

stratochamp wrote:i wonder what lawrence schick was doing with a copy of the dmg? the one that we (me, blackmoor, invincibleoverlord-version 1) drove up over 3000 (that was won by invincibleoverlord) was jake jaquet's review copy.


I was just reading an old Dragon mag that was mentioning when Schick started helping out at TSR. Was he a proofreader? I can't remember. He is mentioned in the credits and acknowledgements.


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:09 pm 
 

The DMG Developer Notes in TD28 offer great insight into the team of folks who worked on the book; I don't remember Schick's role per that article, but I'm sure it's worth looking up!


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:54 pm 
 

On Dragonsfoot, Steve Marsh once called AD&D the "Law Schick supplement":

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... 8&start=90


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:52 pm 
 

There's also this bit from a Grognardia interview with Lawrence Schick:

Gary Gygax thanks you by name for your contributions to the AD&D Dungeon Masters Guide. Do you recall what you contributed to this book?

When I started work at TSR in January of 1979 Gygax handed me this huge, sprawling, unorganized manuscript and said, "Here's the Dungeon Masters Guide -- edit this." So I did. There were a few things he wanted to include that he didn't particularly want to write; for those parts he told me what he wanted, and I wrote them. Unfortunately I don't have a copy of the original DMG at hand -- I lost all my D&D stuff in my recent divorce -- but I recall writing the Example of Play, some of the advice for Dungeon Masters, and a number of other bits here and there. But it was all under Gary's direction, and he certainly deserves all the credit.


http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2009/05/ ... chick.html


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:26 pm 
 

well thank you for answering my question in such a comprehensive way!

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:31 pm 
 

Well I have everything scanned in for Ghost Tower (Schick and his players did a lot of scribbling in it and the hand out sheets).

It is 48 pages and I'm trying to figure out how to combine them or make them into a pdf. I tried zipping them but the file is still too damn big to send. My scanner makes these into fairly big files with lots of pixels.

Should they be reduced? And if so, how many pixels should they be?


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:48 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:Well I have everything scanned in for Ghost Tower (Schick and his players did a lot of scribbling in it and the hand out sheets).

It is 48 pages and I'm trying to figure out how to combine them or make them into a pdf. I tried zipping them but the file is still too damn big to send. My scanner makes these into fairly big files with lots of pixels.

Should they be reduced? And if so, how many pixels should they be?


You should have scanned them directly into PDF

If not then just open Adobe and create a PDF from multiple files and follow the prompts


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JasonZavoda wrote:Well I have everything scanned in for Ghost Tower (Schick and his players did a lot of scribbling in it and the hand out sheets).

It is 48 pages and I'm trying to figure out how to combine them or make them into a pdf. I tried zipping them but the file is still too damn big to send. My scanner makes these into fairly big files with lots of pixels.

Should they be reduced? And if so, how many pixels should they be?


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If you'll upload them here in a single ZIP or multiple files, I'll make a proper PDF of it:

https://sftp.assist-inc.com/dropbox/support

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:34 pm 
 

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If you'll upload them here in a single ZIP or multiple files, I'll make a proper PDF of it:

https://sftp.assist-inc.com/dropbox/support


Thanks Doug, hope that file I sent works. My cheap epson-salt scanner doesn't have an apparent setting that would allow me to send the scans to the pdf programs (I have Dopdf and Foxit).


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