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Post Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:03 pm 
 

OK, so this is a bit of a ramble. So recently I've been thinking that it might be fun to run a Pathfinder game, except I don't know any gamers near me (aside from one person who brought stuff from me from ebay).  I don't own any miniatures or stuff like Tac Tiles (or whatever they were called).

I also thought that while I'm purchasing new RPG books, is there really any point when I know that realistically, I probably won't end up running or playing in any games for a while, if ever. I don't really like organised play games, I prefer once a week regular games. Reading adventures and rulebooks can be fun, but is it really worth buying the books to read them once?

What would I need in terms of miniatures if I *were* to run a game? Note, I wouldn't want to be a completist- ie. an orc can represent a minotaur or ghoul or any other evil humanoid monster. And how would I acquire a set of Tac Tiles (or something similar; battlemats don't appeal to me). What would the value of such items be? If I did want such items, I'd prefer to trade for them. But would I still ever run a game? I'm not sure it would be worth trying to find such items, if I don't run a game in the future.

  

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Post Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:16 pm 
 

Right now, I'd say placing an ad' on Gumtree, in your local games store, or over on DF saying you're looking for a regular PF game would be the best route. It's too easy to buy into games systems on the belief that you're gonna run a game, and end up with £100 worth of stuff that's worth less than half of what you paid, and doesn't get used 'cos either you can't get a group together that sticks, or you find you just don't like the system as much as something else.

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Post Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:17 pm 
 

astenon wrote:What would I need in terms of miniatures if I *were* to run a game? Note, I wouldn't want to be a completist- ie. an orc can represent a minotaur or ghoul or any other evil humanoid monster.


As far as miniatures go, you can use just about anything you like, from coins, to dice, to cardboard chits.  I read an article about a cheap alternative to miniatures I thought interesting on Dragonsfoot:

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... 43&t=46146

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Post Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 10:50 pm 
 

astenon wrote:So recently I've been thinking that it might be fun to run a Pathfinder game

I don't own any miniatures or stuff like Tac Tiles (or whatever they were called).

From what I have read and seen played, miniatures and battlemats are needed for 3.5 and Pathfinder combat.  The RPGA even released transparent overlays for spell effects (cones and blast areas).  I think that wire shapes for spell effects were also produced.  So . . . you'll need to spend a little bit of money.
What would I need in terms of miniatures if I *were* to run a game?

  • PC minis
  • A sufficient quantity of low-powered or grunt-monster minis to represent a band of kobolds, orcs, undead, etc.
  • A smaller quantity of "different" minis for leaders or superior units
  • A small quantity of larger or special minis for boss encounters -- giants, drakes, etc.
  • Terrain, buildings, etc. (optional)
For figures you can buy metal minis, pre-painted plastic minis, cardboard counters, or cardboard stand-up figures.  You can also print out and assemble your own.  You can buy or print out your own buildings and make your own terrain.  Many possibilities exist.

D&D minis are out-of-print, so buying packs and cases at a reasonable price is no longer possible.  If buying D&D singles is too expensive, then consider buying miniatures from games that have fallen out of fashion and into clearance bins --- Dreamblade comes to mind.

And how would I acquire a set of Tac Tiles (or something similar; battlemats don't appeal to me). What would the value of such items be?

TacTiles are expensive and nearly impossible to find.  Various companies have products similar to TacTiles.  Alternatively, you could use a cheap whiteboard.  Other possibilities:
  • Pre-cut sheets of Plexiglass are sold on eBay; watch out for leftovers and high shipping costs.  My memory is fuzzy, but I think that I bought five 12"x12" tiles for under $50 shipped.
  • You can use Dungeon Tiles instead of battlemats.  The difference between the two is slight but definitely exists.  The three out-of-print Dungeon Tiles Master Sets are selling on Amazon for well under cover price; buy two copies from Amazon itself to meet the $25 threshold for Free Shipping.

  

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Post Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:47 am 
 

There's lots of nice battlemats you can buy, but you can also make a battlemat yourself at a very low cost.

Go to Office Max and buy a sheet of white plastic film, a permanent marker, and a couple of colored erasable markers.  

Cut the plastic to whatever size you want.  I think ours was about 20" by 30" or so and that was more than enough room for us.  Make a grid using a ruler and the permanant marker.  Let the permanent marker dry well.

You're done!

During play, use the erasable markers to make terrain or draw rooms as needed.  Erase and repeat.  

We used a homemade mat like this for a long time before we finally sprang for an actual pre-made battle mat.


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Post Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:28 am 
 

We made our own as well.  Used quad-ruled paper with 1" squares and then laminated it.  Works perfect.

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Post Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:15 am 
 

JohnGaunt mentioned plexiglass.... but 5 - 12x12 sheets for $50 seems like a lot to me.

Otherwise, I solved several problems with one additional item that no one else above has mentioned.

The rolled vinyl maps tend to bunch up at the rolls, or if it is folded it is even worse.
Dealing with rolls and folds, It is VERY hard to keep miniatures from falling over... they simply wont stand up right many times.
And some mats wont allow some markers to be easily erased and others are really a big mess to clean up... yuck. :?

I bought a pre-made rolled vinyl mat, then I found a plastic sheet that can be written on with marker and then the marker ink easily removed.
Placed the plastic sheet over the mat, so the squares show through the clear plastic.
I dont have to worry about the mat not lying flat as it is under the plastic sheet.
So the miniatures have no trouble staying upright...
I can also place pre-made maps, or even tiles under the clear plastic sheet to keep them from being marked on, and to help hold the large folding maps flat.

The Plastic sheet (might be plexiglass... I dont know) is something like 30" x 36" and it cost less than $30 and IIRC was just under $25 as I had thought about buying two (for about $50 total) as the two combined would cover the entire half of that table and would be quite a bit larger than the Vinyl Mat.
Turns out one sheet was enough for our gaming use.

Seen below: Plastic sheet on top, a full sized City State of the Invincible Overlord City Map next, with the vinyl mat on the bottom.
At the top of the picture you can tell that the mat is a little longer that direction than the plastic sheet is.

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Post Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 1:00 pm 
 

$20 - $30 for a battle mat and another $5 for a pack of wet-erase markers is what I use.

The battle mat is ten years old, and only a few small spots where someone used dry-erase instead of wet erase.

Roll up the mat at the end of the day and you're done.


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Post Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 1:12 pm 
 

I just buy a big pad of easel grid paper and draw the maps for the encounters beforehand-then just flip pages as the PCs move through different areas.
The maps do take a bit of work, but I enjoy the effort, and I know my players do too.


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Post Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:35 pm 
 

Lots of good advice here- particularly the home-made ideas! Great photo above.

I've run a number of 3.0/3.5 games throughout the 00's (and earlier edition games from the '80s), never used miniatures and things worked fine, but when I played in someone's 3.5 three-adventure campaign in '07 or so, they used miniatures and TacTiles and it seemed to be a great enhancement.

  
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