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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:45 pm 
 

After learning about it here on The Acaeum (thanks!) I've been spending time combing over the small press material described at Afterglow2. This stuff is mostly new to me.

I'm very interested in better understanding the more weird / bizarre / fantastic strains of fantasy roleplaying from the 70s and early 80s. I am wondering if any of you might be able to recommend some early small press stuff I should keep an eye out for. Items that look potentially interesting to me:

The Infernax
Authentic Thaumaturgy
An Infernicum Mallemancia
Les Cloches d'Erildan
The Manual of Aurania
Starstone
Necronomican

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:03 pm 
 

Don't get me started.

A couple quick comments though.  In general small press stuff is very hit or miss.  The nature of small press is that there aren't as many levels of editing or filtering that would happen compared to established companies - also means small press companies are more likely to take big risks on material - sometimes good but sometimes terribly bad.

Most of what you have on your list is fairly well know small press stuff:

* Starstone - good stuff, author has other stuff in White Dwarf magazine.
*Infernax - okay as a product (its a spellbook) but content not worth the money these sell for.
* Authentic Thaumaturgy - a number of different prints, you can probably find a GURPS version for $5 but then you don't get the classic picture of Bonewits :)
* Manual of Aurania - fairly cheap to pick up from Noble Knight (in SW for $15)
* Necromican - good piece for what it is, again by some people who would become known in the field (Erol Otus)

*  my favourite of the Le Dernier Cercle items is La Sève de l'Esprit because I'm very fond of the cover art :)  Ask Loki about content.

* An Infernicum Mallemancia - not sure if this is an RPG item or just a book of info.

You could do a lot worse than these items.  Another popular series (because it is good) are the Companions items.  Also, the Complete Dungeon Master Series of boxed sets by Integrated Games are good (later converted to the Doomstones books for Warhammer).

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:11 pm 
 

There is tons of information on a lot of this stuff over on the Non-TSR threads.  There are a few threads on which items are people's favorites, how much they are generally worth and so forth.

I have a handful of the ones you listed.  Starstone is usually at the top of everyones list.  It's pretty hard to find (especially in good condition) and is a very well written adventure in most peoples opinion.  Authentic Tharmaturgy is an interesting read but not all that useful IMO.  The Infernicum Mallemancia is actually a book that is included in the Mayfair Games set Demons I.  I think the Afterglow2 site shows it as a separate item for some reason.

Necromican and Infernax are pretty rare and tend to go for $100 or more when they come up for auction.

Several other people are in agreement that Tombs of Valla, Seren Ironhand, and The Lost Abbey of Calthonwey are also of excellent quality.  Can't really go wrong with any of the Midkemia Press and Thieves Guild stuff either.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:20 pm 
 

Thanks for the quick feedback! I have seen some stuff on a few of these titles here at The Acaeum, but as you may have noticed this forum's Search function is not terribly selective or efficient.

In general I value weirdness more than quality. With this post I am fishing for the most weirdo stuff, basically.

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:27 pm 
 

Authentic Thaumaturgy is pretty odd so you shouldnt go wrong there.  Booty & The Beasts has the Fiend Folio beat by a mile if you are looking for weird ass monsters.  And the Phantastical Phantasmagorical Montie Haul Dungeon is quite the strange adventure.


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:45 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:And the Phantastical Phantasmagorical Montie Haul Dungeon is quite the strange adventure.

Indeed...

You'll need the likes of Fluffy Quest to chill out, after that. Or maybe not? :)

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:10 am 
 

Moustache_Green wrote:weirdo stuff


Judges Guild, Field Guide to Encounters, for the cover & the "Puppet Master" illo in vol. 2. Imagine pictures of the perviest kids you knew in high school, or maybe the Yellow Kid from Sin City. Best viewed while listening to Todd Rundgren's "Piss Aaron."

Gamelords, Thieves Guild series. Pictures of characters similar to the above, plus detailed descriptions of rape & torture.

Judges Guild, Citadel of Fire, later edition. Back cover showing what happens with said pervy kids after they conquer the universe, Farah Fawcett included.

Chaosium, RuneQuest. Human sacrifice, B&D morokanths, & more human sacrifice. Remember the O.J. scandal of the 1990s? I meant the other one.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:24 am 
 

And for even more weirdness, check out Arduin.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:44 am 
 

Tabletop Warriors...... :wink:

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:53 am 
 

I don't know if it classifies as weird or small, but I like the Dragon Tree Press and Tunnels & Trolls stuff I got a while back. I didn't know anything about it and bought some blindly on eBay at fairly good prices (considering other comparable auctions).

I consider both well written; kinda weird, too.  :)

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:02 am 
 

Chucho68 wrote:I don't know if it classifies as weird or small, but I like the Dragon Tree Press and Tunnels & Trolls stuff I got a while back. I didn't know anything about it and bought some blindly on eBay at fairly good prices (considering other comparable auctions).

I consider both well written; kinda weird, too.  :)

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Have to agree with this and most of the other posts above.
I love both of those systems/publishers....
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:35 am 
 

Badmike wrote:Tabletop Warriors...... :wink:

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:31 am 
 

Mars wrote:*  my favourite of the Le Dernier Cercle items is La Sève de l'Esprit because I'm very fond of the cover art :)  Ask Loki about content.


Le Dernier Cercle modules have wonderfull cover arts. La sève de l'esprit is one of the best (if not the best), even by the module itself. My prefered one too. I pictured French non-TSR stuff there


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:36 am 
 

Love the artwork of the Le Dernier Cercle modules.  I now wish I could speak French.

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:07 am 
 

Prufrock wrote:Love the artwork of the Le Dernier Cercle modules.  I now wish I could speak French.

Martin


Even better if you could READ French.
Not always the same thing...  :lol:


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:51 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:Tabletop Warriors


The eyes of all the figures in this book look like they belong to someone else. The cover appears to have bird eyes, the demon has a puppy's. A very weirdly disturbing effect. Maybe the artist thought it would be good symbolism for role-playing: the body is the character's, the eyes are the player's. The more recent work of the artist (not RPG related, but perhaps related to some kind of role-playing) goes for a similar effect. But with genitals.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:55 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:
The eyes of all the figures in this book look like they belong to someone else. The cover appears to have bird eyes, the demon has a puppy's. A very weirdly disturbing effect. Maybe the artist thought it would be good symbolism for role-playing: the body is the character's, the eyes are the player's. The more recent work of the artist (not RPG related, but perhaps related to some kind of role-playing) goes for a similar effect. But with genitals.


Besides this, Darla did a few Palladium products I believe, and a few illios in one of the "Heroes" series.  I think she could have developed quite a cult following (ala Erol Otus) had she continued in RPG illustration, she has quite an interesting style (not as interesting as the fetish art she does now, but....)

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:16 am 
 

-Avalon Hill's Witchcraft Ritual Kit & Black Magic Ritual Kit. Not bookcase games, but bookcase kits, cause when you buy it you're tapping into powerful mystical energies beyond all control. The very existence of these things makes both perfect sense (you can find purported witchcraft kits at any bookstore today), & no sense at all. Maybe I should just accept that it's 1974, man, & the release of The Exorcist has caused riots of deranged theatergoers bursting forth in murderous demonic possession from every cinema at the moment the film starts rolling. Or so I gathered from talk around the elementary school playground. Good times.

-Today's Google logo. Have I stepped into a CoC campaign, or have I finally lost my mind? Whichever, I want what the man is selling to break those chains. Even at the cost of my immortal soul.

  
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