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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:36 pm 
 

Like the Deities & Demigods Cyclopedia 1st and 2nd prints.
Yes the Chtulhu and other (rumored to be recalled) mythoi rock, but still...
There are no less than 10,000 copies of each printing... STILL in circulation!
Contrary to rumor, the first two printings of Deities & Demigods were never recalled or "banned".  They're far more common than most people seem to believe; an estimated 10,000 - 15,000 copies of these prints are still in circulation.


I can go on E-Bay and find up to 10 copies and seldom less than 5 copies with squids in them for sale almost any day of the year... Year after year.
And prices seem to stay high for them for the most part.
Even beat up copies sell for over $50 on a VERY regular basis.
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:18 pm 
 

On the other hand, I have yet, in searching off and on for several years now, to find a hardcopy of the Diablo II Fast-Play rules. I have no idea what price this item would command. It has been on my wishlist for 10 years now. Impressive considering it was once freely given away at game shops.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:23 pm 
 

Quest for the Fazzlewood was an entirely undistinguished tournament module by two nobodies and later made into an entirely undistinguished solo module (O1 The Gem and the Staff).  I cannot fathom why anyone would pay more than $100 for one yet they routinely go north of $1000 for copies of this. Except for blank hex sheets and character sheets I cannot name a rare "collectible" I would rather pass up for nearly anything else of the same price.  Yet the next time one pops up on Ebay, there will be a feeding frenzy and the item will go for far more than it's worth......

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:53 pm 
 

One man's junk is another man's treasure. Simply dumbfounding at times; but, just keep watching. You never know what the next "big" thing will be.


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:23 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:Quest for the Fazzlewood was an entirely undistinguished tournament module by two nobodies and later made into an entirely undistinguished solo module (O1 The Gem and the Staff).  I cannot fathom why anyone would pay more than $100 for one yet they routinely go north of $1000 for copies of this. Except for blank hex sheets and character sheets I cannot name a rare "collectible" I would rather pass up for nearly anything else of the same price.  Yet the next time one pops up on Ebay, there will be a feeding frenzy and the item will go for far more than it's worth......

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Fazzle gains its cache strictly because of its MDG/TSR heritage. While it was not a TSR module like the trinity, it is the next closest thing. That is where the value comes from.


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:07 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:Fazzle gains its cache strictly because of its MDG/TSR heritage. While it was not a TSR module like the trinity, it is the next closest thing. That is where the value comes from.


Agreed.  Other MDG tournament modules from the same period like Uncle Ebenezer's Will, You Bet Your Life, etc don't get the same kind of value (probably only in the $100-$200 range).

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:09 am 
 

Badmike wrote:Quest for the Fazzlewood was an entirely undistinguished tournament module by two nobodies and later made into an entirely undistinguished solo module (O1 The Gem and the Staff).  I cannot fathom why anyone would pay more than $100 for one yet they routinely go north of $1000 for copies of this. Except for blank hex sheets and character sheets I cannot name a rare "collectible" I would rather pass up for nearly anything else of the same price.  Yet the next time one pops up on Ebay, there will be a feeding frenzy and the item will go for far more than it's worth......

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While perhaps not a high quality product, at least Fazzlewood is rare.  The Deities and Demigods early prints are on E-Bay very regularly.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:49 am 
 

While Deities & Demigods might not "really" be worth (whatever that means) some of the prices it commands on eBay or from some of the big online resellers, the fact remains that Squids and Lords of Chaos are wicked cool and many of us who started playing AD&D in the '81/'82 period missed the full version by a matter of months. The Cthulhu and Melnibonean sections are arguably the two best parts of the book.

I know for me there was always a certain mystique surrounding the "banned" mythoi that had been unjustly ripped out of my mall bookstore-purchased 3rd print, and a strong motivation as a teenager to some day find a copy of the vaunted "uncensored" original. For those of us younger, non-collector AD&Ders who had never heard of Fazzlewood and never dreamed there was a tournament version of Tsojconth we had missed, DDG w/ squids was sort of like the holy grail of AD&D hardcovers. With the advent of eBay and continuing until today, I suspect lots of folks who hadn't played since the '80s and look for AD&D for nostalgic reasons see these listings and say, "I gotta have me one of those."--hence the demand.

Plus, say there are 15,000 copies of the squids DDG in circulation, taking the upper range of Gnat's estimate. Compare that to the 190,000 or so Fiend Folios out there. The difference in going rate is roughly proportional, if you look at it in these terms, for two books that otherwise have roughly the same usefulness in-game, in other words not a whole lot (i.e., game stats for deities you'll never fight, versus game stats for monsters you'd be embarrassed to use :)).

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:54 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:(i.e., game stats for deities you'll never fight, versus game stats for monsters you'd be embarrassed to use :)).

Just my 2 cents.


interesting point there meta :)

however, fiend folio is one of my favorite sources of monsters and i use it as often as i can get away with. some of the monsters in there MIGHT be embarrassing to use, but used in just the right way though, they can be pretty awesome too.

funny old thing that DDG though....i looked for the issue with the 2 mythos for years and then it fell into my lap quite by chance in the end, just as i was buying two anyway.

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ps. for me, that jade hare thing totally bites the bullet...all that money for what 8 pages or something? i remember having it once and not even realising what it was until someone kindly pointed it out to me!


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:34 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:funny old thing that DDG though....i looked for the issue with the 2 mythos for years and then it fell into my lap quite by chance in the end, just as i was buying two anyway.

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Same sort of thing happened to me. The proprietor at the Days of Knights here in Delaware was asking such insane prices ($300 at one point, though I think it had Lawrence Schick's signature) for the DDG that I had resigned myself to never owning one (this was before eBay). Then, one day in 2001 I was sifting through "Ye Olde RPG Crap Box" in the dusty corner of a comic book shop and found TWO for 3 bucks each! When I asked the clerk if this was correct, he replied, "Yeah, those aren't worth much." LOL.

Don't get me wrong, I love both the DDG and FF, and some of my favorite monsters come from FF (githyanki, githzerai, etc.).

  

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:00 am 
 

There's an interesting question about perceived value mixed in to all that.  If some of us have researched that an item isn't really rare, but the ingrained memory of the general audience says that something is, then what is the "value"?

More than it "should" be, on a comparable supply/demand graph.  But remember, if supply is high, but demand even higher, then the price still should go up.  Conversely, an actually rare item, with low supply, can have almost no one interested, keeping the price low.

Basically, what the population believes/wants can trump reality to some extent.


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:16 am 
 

TheHistorian wrote:There's an interesting question about perceived value mixed in to all that.  If some of us have researched that an item isn't really rare, but the ingrained memory of the general audience says that something is, then what is the "value"?

More than it "should" be, on a comparable supply/demand graph.  But remember, if supply is high, but demand even higher, then the price still should go up.  Conversely, an actually rare item, with low supply, can have almost no one interested, keeping the price low.

Basically, what the population believes/wants can trump reality to some extent.


regardless of what people say or perceive to how much value or rarity one item has, folk will sometimes veer off in a direction of their own and pay whatever they are prepared to, to get it. seen it loads of times and have even done the same myself on multiple occasions (though mostly hilarious at the time).

some have even tried to "corner the market" with certain items, but that would never ever work.


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:17 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:
Same sort of thing happened to me. The proprietor at the Days of Knights here in Delaware was asking such insane prices ($300 at one point, though I think it had Lawrence Schick's signature) for the DDG that I had resigned myself to never owning one (this was before eBay). Then, one day in 2001 I was sifting through "Ye Olde RPG Crap Box" in the dusty corner of a comic book shop and found TWO for 3 bucks each! When I asked the clerk if this was correct, he replied, "Yeah, those aren't worth much." LOL.

Don't get me wrong, I love both the DDG and FF, and some of my favorite monsters come from FF (githyanki, githzerai, etc.).


lol thats hilarious - cool finds :)

i love doing things like that, its so much fun. like finding a warrior of mars and a tombs of valla on amazon :)

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:17 am 
 

TheHistorian wrote:Basically, what the population believes/wants can trump reality to some extent.


Point taken, and that's more or less what I meant. But let's keep in mind that when it comes to economics, what the population believes/wants IS reality.

As you say, rarity in itself is meaningless. I could write up a 600-page megadungeon module, have 20 copies printed professionally, and then distribute them to my D&D friends. 20 years from now they'd be rare as heck and worth just about nothing. No one has ever heard of me, I'm not associated with the hobby in a professional capacity, not to mention that I suck at writing adventures :).

I suspect that at some point in the next 50 years, as the original RPG generation and a couple subsequent ones give way to the children of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th-edition players, the demand for more obscure D&D items will plummet, along with prices for them. Sure, there will always be some erudite collectors who would love to own a Jade Hare or whatever, but rather than numbering in the hundreds they'll number in the half-dozens or less. (On the other hand, I suspect woodgrain sets will always command a premium.)

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:23 am 
 

I think you are almost absolutely right Historian...(':?')
Until you effectively define demand "what the population believes/wants" and then suggest it can trump reality?

Demand is reality.

What is trumped is any particular view based upon a unique and individual perspective that an opinion should be reality.   Really, there must be something wrong with the rest of the world when reality and your (or my) opinion conflict.  :P


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:26 am 
 

bamajon1974 wrote:On the other hand, I have yet, in searching off and on for several years now, to find a hardcopy of the Diablo II Fast-Play rules. I have no idea what price this item would command. It has been on my wishlist for 10 years now. Impressive considering it was once freely given away at game shops.


They do exist, but they seem to have been very limited in distribution.  Maybe even tossed by many game shops.  I picked up one in 2006 for $17.50.  Would imagine that they might go for more now, but hard to say.

Who knows, maybe there are cases of them in a warehouse somewhere...

  

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:33 am 
 

Badmike wrote:Quest for the Fazzlewood was an entirely undistinguished tournament module by two nobodies and later made into an entirely undistinguished solo module (O1 The Gem and the Staff).  I cannot fathom why anyone would pay more than $100 for one yet they routinely go north of $1000 for copies of this. Except for blank hex sheets and character sheets I cannot name a rare "collectible" I would rather pass up for nearly anything else of the same price.  Yet the next time one pops up on Ebay, there will be a feeding frenzy and the item will go for far more than it's worth......

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I think Mike has Fazzle envy and just doesn't want to pay a ridiculous price for it! :)

Maybe ST1 is worse though?  That module has been a demoralizer for many a TSR completist.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:42 am 
 

dbartman wrote:
I think Mike has Fazzle envy and just doesn't want to pay a ridiculous price for it! :)

Maybe ST1 is worse though?  That module has been a demoralizer for many a TSR completist.


Blech!  I have no desire for a  Fazzle.  At least ST1 has some cache, being an actual TSR product release.  Plus the entire story about how no one wanted one, the connection to the UK garden fair, etc makes at least a pretty interesting history for the item.

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