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Post Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:59 pm 
 

I recall in the last few months seeing a nice website that had a chronological year-by-year listing of the earliest dungeon adventures published for D&D. It included modules by TSR as well as third-party publishers like Judges Guild. I believe the list ended at 1980.

Have you seen this website? If so, can you help me find the link? I can't seem to find it on Google.

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:02 pm 
 

Try this Dragonsfoot thread, it has links to several different lists. You might be thinking of Falconer's list, since IIRC it ends ~1980.

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... 15&t=47808

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:44 pm 
 

Zenopus wrote:Try this Dragonsfoot thread, it has links to several different lists. You might be thinking of Falconer's list, since IIRC it ends ~1980.

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... 15&t=47808


Yes! Falconer's list is it! Thanks!

http://ulmo.mux.net/modules76-79.html

Do any of you experts out there have a good feeling for if this list is complete? Are modules like Tombs of Valla and Notnaidag Robber Headquarters all 1980 or later?

  

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:12 pm 
 

Moustache_Green wrote:Do any of you experts out there have a good feeling for if this list is complete? Are modules like Tombs of Valla and Notnaidag Robber Headquarters all 1980 or later?


No it is not close to being complete.  There are lots of small press 3rd party items missing.  Notnaidag is 1979 but Tombs of Valla is 1980.  But there are a number of other companies that produced stuff too - Phoenix Games comes to mind with Lost Abbey of Calthonwey and Mines of Keridav both 1979, etc.

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:29 pm 
 

Mars wrote:
No it is not close to being complete.  There are lots of small press 3rd party items missing.  Notnaidag is 1979 but Tombs of Valla is 1980.  But there are a number of other companies that produced stuff too - Phoenix Games comes to mind with Lost Abbey of Calthonwey and Mines of Keridav both 1979, etc.


Is there some sort of checklist of this "unofficial" pre-1980 third-party material?

I've been trying to dig through old Acaeum and Tome of Treasures webpages mentioning this kind of stuff, but it's difficult to know how comprehensive these sources are. I haven't been able to find any checklists or databases of non-TSR and non-JG material.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:07 am 
 

The four Arduin modules came out in 1979-1980. Arduin eventually became a separate game but was really just an OD&D variant at the time these modules came out. It wasn't really a completely separate game until the Arduin Adventure (essentially a Basic Set for Arduin, contains a Sample Adventure) came out in 1980.

There were a load of dungeons/modules in the Judges Guild Journal and the Dungeoneer from that time period, and some in Dragon and White Dwarf magazines.


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:13 am 
 

Moustache_Green wrote:
Is there some sort of checklist of this "unofficial" pre-1980 third-party material?

I've been trying to dig through old Acaeum and Tome of Treasures webpages mentioning this kind of stuff, but it's difficult to know how comprehensive these sources are. I haven't been able to find any checklists or databases of non-TSR and non-JG material.


The original non-TSR archive was the "afterglow" website, now defunct but accessible via the WayBack Machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/200402190004 ... ontsr.html

A successor is Afterglow2 by the Acaeum's own mbassoc:
http://www.afterglow2.com/

Neither of these is organized by date, though.

There's also the 1991 book Heroic Worlds by Lawrence Schick (author of S2), still in print:

http://www.amazon.com/Heroic-Worlds-His ... 202&sr=8-1

It's got a paragraph for almost every RPG product prior to 1991, and shines for learning about non-TSR RPG products (like obscure non-TSR D&D modules). It's organized by topic, rather than date, so you'll still have to wade through it to find pre-1981 material. But it's very readable, and has nice artwork and short essays by RPG authors (Gygax, Arneson, St. Andre, etc).

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:19 am 
 

These places are all good starting points but really only list maybe 50% (? less?) of the small press stuff.  There really isn't a good checklist for them either.

What exactly are you looking for though?  Only adventures? Or accessories too? Or other RPGs?

There are some other things out there like The Complete Warlock that expand from original D&D rules so the other books in the line could be used with both systems, etc - some are accessories and some are adventures.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:54 pm 
 

Mars wrote:What exactly are you looking for though?  Only adventures? Or accessories too? Or other RPGs?

"earliest dungeon adventures published for D&D"?

Can't even get agreement on the "official list" for that. :)
For example, Jaquays' Dungeoneer adventures were retrospectively "made" official whereas the dates for some others are given in an inconsistent manner as dates played rather than mass market publication dates (Tsojconth for example).


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:03 pm 
 

Mars wrote:These places are all good starting points but really only list maybe 50% (? less?) of the small press stuff.  There really isn't a good checklist for them either.


I've been figuring acaeum + ToT + afterglow2 + rpg.net + rpggeek + bugging Mars gets me a list of most of what's out there.  ;)


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:34 pm 
 

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I've been figuring acaeum + ToT + afterglow2 + rpg.net + rpggeek + bugging Mars gets me a list of most of what's out there.  ;)

:lol:

I'm sure Mark doesn't mind. ;)

(If Jaquays' 'zine-based contributions are worthy of listing (definitely so, IMHO), don't forget those other adventures/scenarios also published in that medium).


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:31 pm 
 

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(If Jaquays' 'zine-based contributions are worthy of listing (definitely so, IMHO), don't forget those other adventures/scenarios also published in that medium).


It's a bit of a slippery slope, though - I agree that the Jaquays material is quality (e.g., Morkendaine Dungeon) but there are some dire dungeon contest winners in the Judges Guild Journals. Page after page of dungeon levels with monsters + treasure and no other room description. A bit interesting b/c that stuff didn't get published much, but it might drown out the quality if added to a list of published scenarios.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:53 pm 
 

faro wrote:I'm sure Mark doesn't mind. ;)


I'm always happy to help fuel small press collecting.  I just found a new resource yesterday and have added a couple new small press items to my list (its a mental list though so I hope I don't forget them).

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:55 pm 
 

Categorise as official/non-official if required, but "quality" is subjective? :)

Kinda reminds me of Fin's reply in the "oldest fantasy settings" thread on DF where he casually dismissed anything he'd not personally heard of on the presumption of "hadn't heard about" = "little or no impact on gaming history".

Besides, with the timeframe in question - up to 1979 - pretty much everyone's contribution was either a trendsetter or at least generally relevant to understanding the state-of-play at the time.


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:30 am 
 

If you are gunning for a scenario list including Rusty Lamont's No Prize Dungeon Level 5 from JGJ#12, I think you are going to have to make it yourself.  :D


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:59 pm 
 

Zenopus wrote:If you are gunning for a scenario list including Rusty Lamont's No Prize Dungeon Level 5 from JGJ#12, I think you are going to have to make it yourself.  :D


Hey he got 2nd place for Level 6 and 3rd place for Level 4. You leave Rusty alone. :)

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:34 pm 
 

Thanks everyone for the input. The Afterglow2 site has seriously expanded my mind. I'm dying to play some of this stuff! I guess the privilege is going to cost a bit though... I don't imagine PDFs or bootlegs of this material are floating around.

My original question was indeed about adventure scenarios, but now I'm interested in all this small press stuff. I didn't realize there was so much. A lot of it looks really fascinating. I have a number of questions to post, but I don't want to wear out my welcome here so I'll pace them out.

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:07 pm 
 

If you are looking for another source with some more pics/info then look at the Tome of Treasures website.  In particular some of the forums in this section:

http://tomeoftreasures.com/forum/index.php?c=16

Click on the company names that you don't recognize :)

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