lawrenson wrote:Hi,can you nominate other ppl, or do they have to nominate themselves?Cheers,Malc
Badmike wrote:If you know of someone who has published something in the last year, and you think it's something that should be nominated, please email or call them and encourage them to submit their work for the award. I have talked to several potential nominees and in almost all cases they were unsure if their items would match the standards of the submission (they would, the authors were just being too modest).
mbassoc2003 wrote:That seems like quite an awkward way of doing things.The premis is that publishers come and say, "Gimme, gimme. We want it for our writer/publisher." But people who use and play products cant point to something and say, "I think that's a really good writer/product because..." They have to go to the writer and say, "Look, nip over here and say gimme this cos I wrote this."The whole system seems screwed up. Surely the people who use the product, pay for it, read it and love it, are the people who should be saying, "Take a look at this." I'm not saying it should be based on numbers of votes or anything, but surely there is a more credible way of evaluating new products that just assessing those products who's companies are going to mooch up and ask for an award to be given to them?How credible is any award system when the people who want them have to go and ask for them. It seems that there is a build in devalue system already built in that way. Like saying, these people got this cos they asked for it and we agreed, not because people like the product or think it is well written or good.I completely understand the private evaluation from a committee thing. It works and so long as it's not political, it's credibility is carried on the experience and expertise of the committe. But taking nominations only from companies and writers who want one for themselves just doesn't sit right. It smacks of insider back patting and self aggrandisement, and that part has little integrity to it.Is it just a way of getting a logo onto more publications? Or is it about recognising talent and contributuion to the industry?
ScketreWhisp® wrote:Time OUTWho in the world said anything about "nominating" anyone ????This is NOT a nomination process .... never has beenIf a person ie: writer, designer etc has produced a product and they want to attempt to win the award, then they need to fill out the form and send in the product.THERE IS NO NOMINATION PROCESS ... if I typed that somewhere, then please direct me to my mistake and I will remove it...The award is for the individual writer/designer... not the publisher.But a publisher could send in a product on behalf of a writer/designer, but the publisher will not win the award. The best they can do is claim they have an award winning writer/designer
Badmike wrote:Ian you make good points and your concerns are valid. But Doug and I have had to realize that this is just the way things get done. If you and 30 others nominate something by Joe Blow and yet he never submits anything to the committee, there is nothing there in front of us to judge how awesome and brilliant his work is. That is why I have been behind the scenes talking to some small press publishers, writers and designers and urging them to submit their works. I realize it seems narcissistic to think your item is the best...but seriously, do you really want to buy/play something by a designer who thinks his stuff is just ok? Ego should play some part in it, and you must admit part of success is someone not only with an idea, but someone who thinks that idea is worthy enough for publication....and if that means they have to publish it on their own, then by God they are going to do it.Again if you have read or played something in the last year you definitely think is something that is above average and should be recognized, I encourage you to tell the writer/designer that this is something that should be sent in for the award. If they won't do it, then "out" them by putting their name here and telling all of us what a great product they have. Maybe after a groundswell of support they will give in and submit their work. Believe me, I will PERSONALLY hound anyone who has published something in the last year I have considered superior in design to submit their work, because I want to have the BEST items considered by the judges for the final award (It is in our best interests after all to have the award go to the most worthy recipient). Again I understand how the process rankles but that is just the process, not the final result.Mike B.
lawrenson wrote:Hi,can you nominate other ppl, ...?Cheers,Malc
lawrenson wrote:Hi,actually, I have a friend who has designed his own game.He was at Gencon Indy.He won one of the Indy RPG awards given out there.It was one that he didn't know he had been nominated for - and he did explain that, altho the Ennies was the "big one", the awards where other ppl nominate you are the ones the designers actually love to win - it makes them feel as tho its all worthwhile Anyways, I don't really care.I personally think, for a small convention, its maybe one more thing on the committees shoulders, when maybe sorting out more practical problems should have more call on their time?But hey, if you reckon its a good idea - go for it and good luck!Cheers,Malc
