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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:31 am 
 

They cannot even come up with original artwork.

Now they deface a classic:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/redbox.aspx


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:43 am 
 

Where have you been?  :)

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:47 am 
 

Many vintage artworks have appeared recently: the RedBox, character sheets, the bus...

And did you notice that they're doing a Rules Compendium?

(I suspect that someone is trying to recapture the '80s boom by simily reproducing its imagery, unable to recapture its substance.)

It remains to be seen whether any of this lures players of OOP D&D (what I call the "First Family" of FRP games, OD&D thru RC) into buying their new line of 4.x (which is still fiercely defended as being 4.0, despite hundreds of pages of 'errata' aka rules changes).

  

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:48 am 
 

Away for too long. Was on Hulu watching Dresden Files and the episode i was watching was sponsored by the New Dungeons and Dragons Red Box set.

I could not believe my eyes! They we using artwork from the DMG, PHB, even the Deities and Demigods HB!

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:44 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:It remains to be seen whether any of this lures players of OOP D&D (what I call the "First Family" of FRP games, OD&D thru RC) into buying their new line ...


Magic 8-ball says no.  ;)

  

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:46 pm 
 

Maybe they figured "we have this art already... why pay some other new artist money for something we can print for free?" Not like TSR never recycled art.


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:58 pm 
 

The art used for the covers of the Player and DM booklet in the Boxed set are not the Elmore print (which I found odd).  If you pop by the WotC D&D site you'll see quite a bit of art that you'll recognize (mace swinging cleric from VoH for instance).  

The line looks like it's on its third manager in as many years (Heinsoo, some other guy, and now Mike Mearls).  At least Mearls knows that all is not well in 4E land and has avoided the WotC Kool-Aid dispenser that the last two guys relied on to sell the edition.


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:15 pm 
 

Hmm (remembers the Spellfire ccg).

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:29 pm 
 

serleran wrote:Maybe they figured "we have this art already... why pay some other new artist money for something we can print for free?" Not like TSR never recycled art.

Would make sense for a corporation into squeezing every bit of cash they can, but... I recall there being a handfull of pieces which were recycled from 1E into 2E, but I am not aware of any recycling in 3E, and until this recent mass rush, none in 4E. New editions usually are marked by new art as part of a new identity.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:27 pm 
 

Wait a minute here.  If they use artwork created by Larry Elmore on a new product, then don't they still have to pay him something?  Don't artists get royalties or copyrights or whatever?

This doesn't seem right somehow.


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:53 pm 
 

I think most of the art was commissioned as "work for hire", meaning the company owns all rights to the publishing of the art in any media they choose.

You watch ... they'll start recycling Gangbusters, Star Frontiers and whatever else onto their D&D 4e boxes and books to try and light that nostalgia fire :lol:

  


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:57 pm 
 

Misterspock is spot on - TSR generally used to buy a piece of art outright and all rights to it.

While the initial expense was often higher than a company like WotC would pay (where the artist often kept the art but not the rights), it meant TSR was never behoving to anyone else if they decided to 're-use' part or all of an image.

Usually this made a lot of sense as it meant they never had to re-licence art they had previously utilised (and thus 'royalty fees' were never an issue). The downside was (horrific) episodes like the 'Spellfire' recycling.

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P.S. As an aside, you'd think and hope (and wish) that after 30+ years in the trade, TSR would have learnt a few lessons in how to market the product... <and then gets off soap-box>.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:10 am 
 

In the course of doing some market research in '96 about the publishing industry and copyright, I found out that a 1 trillion dollar industry (per year) results in authors receiving a mere 2 billion of it.
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Post Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:44 am 
 

serleran wrote:Maybe they figured "we have this art already... why pay some other new artist money for something we can print for free?" Not like TSR never recycled art.


Actually, at least some recycled art in each product was a publishing rule at TSR...at least in the 2nd Edition days.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:46 am 
 

misterspock wrote:I think most of the art was commissioned as "work for hire", meaning the company owns all rights to the publishing of the art in any media they choose.

You watch ... they'll start recycling Gangbusters, Star Frontiers and whatever else onto their D&D 4e boxes and books to try and light that nostalgia fire :lol:


Covers of DRAGON magazine and the like were purchased as first publishing rights.  The artwork remained the property of the artists.

In-house artwork naturally belonged to TSR.

All TSR published writing work was contracted as "work for hire," so TSR would not have to worry about getting permission to re-print and support their own products.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:32 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:
Covers of DRAGON magazine and the like were purchased as first publishing rights.  The artwork remained the property of the artists.

In-house artwork naturally belonged to TSR.

All TSR published writing work was contracted as "work for hire," so TSR would not have to worry about getting permission to re-print and support their own products.


That's true. I was actually thinking of a story I had heard from Tharizdun about Clyde Caldwell and some of his Dragon covers when I wrote that comment. But I think Dragon was sort of a separate entity and didn't want to confuse the issue. Maybe we could ask Tim Kask or someone about how that came to be at Dragon.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:17 am 
 

puterdragon wrote:In the course of doing some market research in '96 about the publishing industry and copyright, I found out that a 1 trillion dollar industry (per year) results in authors receiving a mere 2 billion of it.
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I am not sure what the point is here. The authors supplied a product and were paid for the product. Are you suggesting they were ripped off because the purchaser of their products may made more money than the author?

Let's see, the publisher has to research and design the product, pay for any and all IP items included (writing, artwork, etc), pay for editing, pay for production, pay staff to distribute and track, pay lawyers, pay truck drivers, pay insurance, pay taxes (not a small amount by any stretch), pay operating costs, take a risk that the product will actually sell as predicted (never a consistent thing), and a whole host of other cash-sucking issues. Oh, and have some money left so that the product actually turns a profit so they can hire more people and create more products and keep paying that underpaid, chained-to-a-desk author to keep producing material.

I am sorry, but I have no pity for authors or illustrators who actually sell their stuff. It is really easy to suggest they are on the short end, but in the end, it is typically the other way around.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:59 am 
 

SimperingToad wrote:Would make sense for a corporation into squeezing every bit of cash they can, but... I recall there being a handfull of pieces which were recycled from 1E into 2E, but I am not aware of any recycling in 3E, and until this recent mass rush, none in 4E. New editions usually are marked by new art as part of a new identity.

If it smells like bait...


You'll note I said TSR which does not include 3rd or 4th edition as those are strictly WotC releases, though not having all the books anymore, I would not be able to confirm with 100% reliability that nothing was reused. There was a great deal of art recycling in the 2nd edition era.

Perhaps they discovered, at last, they have a huge amount of property obtained when buying TSR and have decided to start using it. I wouldn't mind seeing some re-releases of some of the Ravenloft art, for example, but I'm not holding my breath on it.


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