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Post Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:20 pm 
 

Hi all,

I just started correspondence with Donna Parkinson regarding the feasibility of getting a giclee print on canvas of Keith's Fire Sea painting.  It was the cover art for the 3rd book in the Death Gate Cycle Series by Tracy Hickman and Margaret Weis.  I gather Margaret still has the original.

Anyway, I am the first person to ask for a giclee of this print and she is unsure if others would buy one considering they have posters at a far lesser price.  A giclee would make it look more a painting then a print but run around $3-400.  So I am wondering what your thoughts are and if you had the choice would you go with a print or a giclee?  

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:33 pm 
 

What does "giclee" mean?


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:44 am 
 

Its an advanced digital printing technology pronounced zhee-klay and creates the closest recreation of the original painting possible using very high resolution specialty printers.  

Basically, instead of printing with the normal colors used in lithography (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) the printers uses 6 to 7 colors (though I've heard of 10 but haven't confirmed) which gives a wider color spectrum and better true color representation.  They use archival pigmented ink instead of dye ink as well.   Basically the ink is sprayed onto the medium in millions of overlapping drops which helps to blend the colors creating truer shades and hues.

Probably the most noticeable thing when looking at one and comparing it to a poster is that it looks more like a real painting...sort of smoother and more vibrant..

From a collector standpoint though, because they are made from a digital scan you can only guarantee a limited print run if the seller has some integrity and does not allow any more to be printed.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:44 am 
 

That is a fantastic picture!

For that sort of money, I'd want original art, so I'd go for a really nice print and frame it well.

I admit to not knowing what this process produces, but to get something to look original, it'd need to have texture, IMO.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:40 am 
 

Wasn't the EO print done via the giclee process?  I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.  Definitely vibrant with lots of depth, and that was on high-quality paper, not canvas.  $300+ is a bit steep for me, but perhaps if the owner would consider using paper instead of canvas it would bring the price down a bit?  Just a thought.  Beautiful painting.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:54 am 
 

The price is a problem for me.  Love the art.  I do believe the EO Acaeum print was a giclee.  For the money I would rather save a little more and buy original art.  However, if the price were to come down to the !00-200 range I would be interested.

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:26 am 
 

Artists, at least the major ones I know of, produce giclee's on canvas. It's represented as almost indistinguishable from the original piece (which I find troubling personally...). It's similar to the artist, who's name escapes me at the moment, who does those Christmas scenes and it's like the 50's with snow and very beautiful village-townscapes and whatnot. It's like that. A print is done on paper. Then there's the poster quality art. it's a fine line with all of those as far as quality goes. I've seen posters that are better than the others... Depends on the printer really. Good luck with your project!


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:28 am 
 

Same here. Acaeum commissioned EO to produce artwork and then got 65-70 prints run off at around $100 a shot. Fantastic quality print on archive quality heavy paper, looks remarkably like an original painting when you view it for real vs. an onscreen image. So there's no reason not to assume you couldn't achieve the same, even with an honourarium going to Mags and Parkie for permission and the use of the original.

I could see myself signing up for a copy, but not at the $3-400 mark.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:40 am 
 

Tharizdun wrote:Artists, at least the major ones I know of, produce giclee's on canvas. It's represented as almost indistinguishable from the original piece (which I find troubling personally...). It's similar to the artist, who's name escapes me at the moment, who does those Christmas scenes and it's like the 50's with snow and very beautiful village-townscapes and whatnot. It's like that. A print is done on paper. Then there's the poster quality art. it's a fine line with all of those as far as quality goes. I've seen posters that are better than the others... Depends on the printer really. Good luck with your project!


Well in that case (at the word of the resident expert!! :wink:  ), if it's that good, I'd go with the giclee. But at a reduced price, preferably, as it still sounds steep.

And yes, I'd be interested if there were a run of these done, that is a truly beautiful piece of art.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:18 am 
 

Tharizdun wrote:It's similar to the artist, who's name escapes me at the moment, who does those Christmas scenes and it's like the 50's with snow and very beautiful village-townscapes and whatnot.


Thomas Kinkade, i think.  his work finds it's way into alot of calenders.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:03 am 
 

Yeah, Kinkade!

His Mall stores have the giclee's with the additional thing where he has a group of artists that apply extra paint to the canvas. There's some tier of those things to where some are more limited and better highlighted and whatnot. I'm familiar with these things but don't own any. My frame gal does Marilyn Manson's stuff and I guess he gives the Giclee's to people and they're so good that you can't tell the difference (so she says to me) to the point where people mistakenly think they own the originals...

I have seen the EO print and while it's very nicely printed it's obviously a print. The giclee would resemble an original to the degree to where you could trick people imo. That's the difference between the two imo.

I'm no expert. I think user TSR ART is the most knowledgeable person on this forum when he posts (easily so).

Giclee is relatively new as far as a printing process. I think that the high seeming cost is universal from what I've seen. I know that Frazetta sold them (and they actually sold) and Hildebrandt Brothers... The big hitters.
I know Elmore has them but he has a kinda fanatical group of collectors. I don't know how well these sell otherwise. 300 bucks... that Hollow World box set cover and several other Fields pieces went for 500 to put things in perspective. That was when the economy was booming...


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:10 am 
 

"I just started correspondence with Donna Parkinson"

This is a feat in itself by the way;) Trust me.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:47 pm 
 

This is cool.  Both of my sisters-in-law are art historians.  How's that for being under a bad sign?

Now I can wow them with my art acumen.


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:38 am 
 

For those that were, or may be interested, the printers are working on a scan before proofing out a trial print.  Donna indicated the printer she uses only does them on canvas so prints on heavy stock archival paper is not an option.

The poster size they sell is 36"x24" but depending on the scan the giclee may be smaller and we won't know this till they have the scan done.  

The price should be in the range I anticipated (less if the print size is smaller then expected) but she did indicate this is mainly as it is a single print run.  If others are interested in a print and it is done at the same time the cost would be reduced as she would get a quantity discount.  You would have let her know though and I assume before she does my print.

In any event things are coming together and I am pretty appreciative of the effort she put into my request.

For those interested you can check out Kieth's site here.  A contact link is at the bottom of each page.

http://www.keithparkinson.com/main.php

  

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Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:00 am 
 

red wizard wrote:
The price should be in the range I anticipated (less if the print size is smaller then expected) but she did indicate this is mainly as it is a single print run.  If others are interested in a print and it is done at the same time the cost would be reduced as she would get a quantity discount.  You would have let her know though and I assume before she does my print.


I recommend making at least the price information more specific.  $300.00 to $400.00 is a fairly big swing and "quality discount" can vary greatly as well.  If at least ten people buy in, what does that mean? Or at least twenty?  I personally would guess that you'd be hard pressed to find much more than that interested from this community plus Dragonfoot combined, so just those two numbers would help(unless the price drops considerably).  Also, does the price include shipping?  If not, how much is that with everything?

Beyond that, other questions come to mind, but I've asked a whole lot here already.  I'm not sure I'm interested unless the price is less than $200.00.  Maybe you could edit your post to include a poll with different price points given a certain size?  Make sure the poll has options like, "The print is nice, but my funds are low" and "The option I'd vote for isn't listed here."

Just trying to help.  8)


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:08 pm 
 

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I recommend making at least the price information more specific.  $300.00 to $400.00 is a fairly big swing and "quality discount" can vary greatly as well.  If at least ten people buy in, what does that mean? Or at least twenty?  I personally would guess that you'd be hard pressed to find much more than that interested from this community plus Dragonfoot combined, so just those two numbers would help(unless the price drops considerably).  Also, does the price include shipping?  If not, how much is that with everything?


Thanks for the comments and I'll have to wait until the scan is done for an exact cost.  Shipping would be in addition and I'll see if I can get a more accurate number on any group discount.

Not sure on a poll at this point as I've decided to get a giclee of this artwork. So its more a question of whether someone is interested in piggy-backing on the print run and addressing questions like you posed above.    I assume at the end of the day the price will still be higher then what most would be willing to pay.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:43 pm 
 

Like benjoshua, I may be interested, red wizard, but cost is definitely the deciding factor.  

If shipping is not included in your estimate yet, getting a sense of how much shipping + insurance may cost would be a big help too:  can a giclee on canvas be rolled?  The EO prints could be, safely, at least for shipping purposes (vs. long term storage), but if the giclee on canvas can't be rolled, that'll make shipping much more expensive and damage much more likely, I imagine.

I'm also not sure how/why the price for the giclee would increase with more copies being printed??---you're able to spread the cost of the printing out across more prints so I would think it would lower rather than increase??

It sounds like this may be the next Acaeum art project from outside the EOC team? :D


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:37 pm 
 

grodog wrote:Like benjoshua, I may be interested, red wizard, but cost is definitely the deciding factor.  

If shipping is not included in your estimate yet, getting a sense of how much shipping + insurance may cost would be a big help too:  can a giclee on canvas be rolled?  The EO prints could be, safely, at least for shipping purposes (vs. long term storage), but if the giclee on canvas can't be rolled, that'll make shipping much more expensive and damage much more likely, I imagine.

I'm also not sure how/why the price for the giclee would increase with more copies being printed??---you're able to spread the cost of the printing out across more prints so I would think it would lower rather than increase??

It sounds like this may be the next Acaeum art project from outside the EOC team? :D


Give me a few days to nail down costs.  Not sure I indicated right but yes, the more prints on a run the cheaper each is.  

I haven't had a problem getting giclees on canvas shipped in a roll so far and of course it all depends on how well packaged and how it is handled through transport.  I recently recieved a rolled canvas giclee from Clyde Caldwell for example and it looks great.  You do have to mount a rolled canvas print which takes time and extra cost.   Mind you mounting a canvas print may be cheaper then framing and glazing a print and there are a variety of ways to do it.

The other giclee on canvas I got from Donna was actually stretched so it came packaged not rolled.  I'll confirm but this is what I was expecting for this print as well.

The EOC team did an incredible job and I am hoping they continue with a second project.  I just thought I throw the offer out to tag along on this one if someone is interested and it fits the bill.

  
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