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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:33 pm

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:54 pm

::sigh::

I remember, a long time ago, when this thread was about Tsoj...

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:18 pm

ExTSR wrote:::sigh::

I remember, a long time ago, when this thread was about Tsoj...

only indirectly Mr M

it was about the supposed value of said item and the possibility that it should be worth more, so that the purchase was a good investment for said poster.

incidentally....hasnt been seen around these here parts since.

shame.

so...out of curiosity, what IS the current value of a Tsoj?

Are we nearly there yet?

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:26 pm

$1,168.97

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:38 pm

Deadlord39 wrote:$1,168.97

i knew you would say that!

Are we nearly there yet?

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:43 pm

From beginning (guy with an agenda) to middle (questions about the valuation system) to now (meandering all over the place), this thread has concerned Tsojconth indirectly at best.

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:38 pm

ExTSR wrote:::sigh::

I remember, a long time ago, when this thread was about Tsoj...

Yes indeed...
Of course, the value of Tsoj is what someone is willing to pay,

Sorry to not to have been back sooner, real life and all.
But all this business about an agenda isn't worthy of a response. If I thought someone was actually engaging in price fixing, I would have stated so clearly, naming the individual and circumstances and so on. If you want to read an accusation into what I said, go right ahead, I really could not care at all.

On to something I do care about...
Frank, did Gary ever discuss Tsojconth and specifically Iggwilv/f with you? One of the features that of course distinguishes one fantasy world from another is its important NPCs, and the change from a dead male archmage to live female one is pretty interesting. Was this change made with Grazzt in mind?

Thanks.

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:40 pm

sauromatian wrote:
Think about it from the perspective of someone approaching the site. I used it as a reference for years before noticing the forums. Someone could reasonably get the impression that these boards exist primarily discuss the site itself, to suggest changes or offer constructive criticism.

Hear, hear! I used the site for about two years before I really took notice of the forums. :oops:

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:55 pm

sanguinemetaldawn wrote:
The auction price is not "about what you would expect". The auction price was, in fact, SET BY Acaeum. Acaeum values it at "$1144".

The bid I had to beat [by w***r( 345)] was US $1,143.97

And this makes me uncomfortable.

It makes me wonder if someone will decide tomorrow its only worth $800, then I lose $350.

It makes me want to know how the value was arrived at.

I also find myself wondering if there is price manipulation going on to maintain its value (though I personally think its worth more, and I am not complaining about not paying $2000 for it).

Sorry, I don't know how I read a price fixing accusation into that. My bad.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:35 am

killjoy32 wrote:so...out of curiosity, what IS the current value of a Tsoj?

Much like actual CPU load, it's a binary condition of either off ($0.00) or on ($infinite) at any given moment in time. Only by integrating the frequency of those values over time can you come at an approximate value of a Tsojconth in a defined period. If that's not sufficiently confused, I'll try harder.

The current valuation average is sitting about $1,168.97

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:02 am

benjoshua wrote:
Hear, hear! I used the site for about two years before I really took notice of the forums.

I also agree with that statement.
I lurked for a couple of years as an E-Bay buyer and sometime researcher for information on E-Bay RPG items.
I never posted on the forum though I would sometimes read the threads.

I found the site through an E-Bay listing as it linked this site as a research site to prove the authenticity of a rare item I was bidding on at the time.
After reading through the item lists, I was hooked and saved the site for future research for myself.
Some time later I joined up and started posting and soon after that my collection got bigger and bigger and bigger..................
Of course now that collection is almost all gone. :roll:

Tsojconth?
I think it is not overvalued at $1100-$1200 for a NM copy.

At the same time, I think that ST-1 is overvalued at $1,000 for a NM copy, never mind $2,500 for a lesser copy (VFine). :lol:

At the same time, I do not think the SW Orange B-3 that recently sold on E-Bay for $3,000 was really worth that much either, but I do not mind seeing one sell for that.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:54 pm

Okay, someone asked for the raw data a while back in this thread. This should be almost all of the Tsojconths that have been sold publicly since 2001. More to be added. The Tsojconths prior to year 2001 have been removed from the valuations to keep the pricing more in line with current trends. Note that the recent sale values are quite high compared to the earlier years.

Price Quarter Condition
$989.78    2008 Q1 5
$695.36    2007 Q3 4.5
$710.00    2007 Q2 6
$2,060.05 2007 Q1 10
$1,120.75 2006 Q4 10
$965.00    2006 Q3 10
$1,870.00 2006 Q1 10
$1,895.00 2006 Q1 10
$919.91    2005 Q3 7
$750.00    2005 Q3 9
$475.00    2005 Q3 6.5
$1,825.00 2005 Q3 10
$1,057.00 2004 Q4 9
$912.75    2004 Q4 7.5
$728.99    2004 Q4 9
$631.00    2003 Q4 10
$650.00    2003 Q3 8
$737.00    2003 Q3 10
$663.00    2003 Q1 7.5
$123.00    2003 Q1 2.5
$717.00    2002 Q4 9.5
$800.00    2002 Q3 8
$597.00    2002 Q3 9.5
$817.00    2001 Q1 10
$611.00    2001 Q1 10
$306.00    2001 Q1 10
$200.00    2001 Q1 4.5

I'm ready to take on Mr. Xax :wink:

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:27 pm

I saw one sell not too long ago, Bart. You can add it to the list. It went for about $1,168.97. Give or take.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:30 pm

Thanks, I still have that one and another to add in.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:46 pm

dbartman wrote:Price Quarter Condition
$989.78 2008 Q1 5

aside: Did you get further confirmation of the condition on this one, since that just seemed to be a single (possibly light?) vertical crease from the picture and description;
** expired/removed eBay auction **

Compared with:

dbartman wrote:$710.00 2007 Q2 6

Foxed, major spine splitting, annotations (including ink), yet rated higher.

<<
ebay:
** expired/removed eBay auction **
(win to netrodent)
There are small slight rust color stain spots on the cover and on the back of the booklet and on the inside of the cover. (see pictures) also 2 of the pages have small spots as well.

Pages are flat and crisp and have never been bent or folded.

The cover spine is almost seperated apart it is held together by about a 1 inch section of the spine still together I have never tried to repair it.

There is some small writing on a few of the pages (see pictures) looks like all pencil marks except the arrow which seems to be in ink.
>>

The second should be far inferior to the first, IMHO.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:49 pm

Ok, what a long thread and I can't take the time to read it all...

But for: sanguinemetaldawn

I was the bidder at the $1143.97.

I saw the item, read the description and called Paul Jaquays (sp?) on the phone. He was unaware of it's value.

In any case, I think the value based on it's condition is: $1485.71, so I was willing to pay the full currently listed Acaeum value for the item, thus my single bid on it, I would have bid a couple hundred dollars more if I had really wanted the item, but I am going to Italy in a few months and don't need to over spend

So, that's why the price was at the $1144.00.. I wasn't "letting" it go for less.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:19 pm

faro wrote:Foxed, major spine splitting, annotations (including ink), yet rated higher.<<ebay:
** expired/removed eBay auction **
(win to netrodent)There are small slight rust color stain spots on the cover and on the back of the booklet and on the inside of the cover. (see pictures) also 2 of the pages have small spots as well.Pages are flat and crisp and have never been bent or folded.The cover spine is almost seperated apart it is held together by about a 1 inch section of the spine still together I have never tried to repair it.There is some small writing on a few of the pages (see pictures) looks like all pencil marks except the arrow which seems to be in ink.>>The second should be far inferior to the first, IMHO.

Appreciate your input faro but this information is not subject to debate or it would be an endless discussion with everyone expressing there own "expert" opinion. The valuations are simply a composite over time of the estimated condition of these items based on actual testimonial, pictures, the sellers description, and a personal assessment by valuation board members. A point up or down on condition isn't going to matter too much in the overall scheme of things.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:21 pm

dbartman wrote:Appreciate your input faro but this information is not subject to debate or it would be an endless discussion with everyone expressing there own "expert" opinion.

Better to keep *all* realisations/evaluations private if so, as was stated to be the case?
Has certainly convinced me to continue to put no faith in those, anyhow, given your reply.

Cheers,
David.

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