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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:14 pm 
 

grodog wrote:For folks outside of North America, there's a thread on ENWorld for folks to voice their desires @ http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rp ... d-off.html

Shipping, people. Shipping.

Do folks really think that WotC is going to go through the expense to ship, say for example, 2 copies to FLGSs in Japan?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:17 pm 
 

SimperingToad wrote:Shipping, people. Shipping.

Do folks really think that WotC is going to go through the expense to ship, say for example, 2 copies to FLGSs in Japan?


Especially since foreign shipping rates, as of today, just rose appreciably.

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:20 pm 
 

There is no reason not to distribute throughout the distribution chain. It works very cheaply and very well for them for all their existing product lines. If WotC have decided that this is to be available to US buyers only, it is either because they have copyright concerns selling this in other countries, or they believe the US buyer deserves to be treated differently from the rest of the market.

I can't see copyright of the original manuals being an issue, as D&D and FRPs appear to be considered by many as a US invention, I can see WotC wanting to recognise this and honour it by recognising the US D&D player as somewhat different to the rest of the international market. I very much doubt that WotC will be up front about their decision. It's not something you'd want to talk about if you thought you'd damage your customer base by being candid with them.
SimperingToad wrote:Shipping, people. Shipping.

Do folks really think that WotC is going to go through the expense to ship, say for example, 2 copies to FLGSs in Japan?

That's irrelevant. When a shop in London buys 12 copies of the 4E PHB, WotC don't pack them and post them from the US. They come from the printers through the warehousing around the world to the distributors in the UK and then get shipped to London from a warehouse somewhere in the south of England. It is no different for any number of books and for any title from any of the major publishers who feed into the distribution chain. These books aren't manufactured in the US, and huge chunks of the stock from the major US publishers that lands in the European markets never enters or passes through the US at all.


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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:22 pm 
 

Should still only be around $15 to send a set by Airmail M-bag in bulk if y'can find a couple of other people willing to pony up for the same. ;)

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:29 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:That's irrelevant. When a shop in London buys 12 copies of the 4E PHB, WotC don't pack them and post them from the US. They come from the printers through the warehousing around the world to the distributors in the UK and then get shipped to London from a warehouse somewhere in the south of England. It is no different for any number of books and for any title from any of the major publishers who feed into the distribution chain. These books aren't manufactured in the US, and huge chunks of the stock from the major US publishers that lands in the European markets never enters or passes through the US at all.

It may be relevant in this case, since we're not talking bulk rates on perhaps tens of thousands going through the regular distribution chain, but rather on what may likely be a few thousand of each at best (I doubt hundreds). Cheaper than the alternatives, but the cost will still be greater than I suspect they would like to bear for a comparitively small run. I'm actually wondering if they intend to print out-of-country at all for this one. It wouldn't make sense to single out Canada as the only other country if regular distribution channels were being used. We'll see how it panned out once they are printed.

A thought occurrs though, that this is aimed at the FLGS for a reason. Not to keep them open for the sake of keeping them open, but they realise that they get a lot of publicity at local shops where events are held, and without that, they lose a fair portion of impulse sales. It's a win-win situation to promote the shops.

How do FLGSs in other parts of the world compare with those in N.A. with in-store gaming? Do most non-US stores have in-shop gaming?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:16 pm 
 

Still, if they are packed in boxes of 24 or 30 and shipped along with all the other hardbacks that come out of the same source, then it's just a picking issue when they ship a container of boxes from one country to another. Books from WotC selected press are shipped to the UK by the container load. There is no requirement for those containers to contain only one book or another. No reason not to have 8 or 10 boxes of one product in a shipment as opposed to 30 or 50 or 100 boxes of a more mainstream book.

Now, if these were going to be hand stitched by US citisens in Seatle, wrapped in Buffalo hide and then embossed with gold lettering by a specialist outfitter in Wyoming, I could see the arguement that it's a US product being shipped outside of the US and each one would cost an extra $5 to ship, and so WotC are thinking, Europeans can't afford these special US made bespoke centrepiece coffeetable books, but we're talking about mass produces Chinese hardbacks here. So I can only assume that WotC have selected to keep this inhouse in the US to homout the great man himself and emphisize the American nature of the game and its roots.


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Post Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:17 pm 
 

PDT_Armataz_01_02  I hate when I overthink things.  PDT_Armataz_01_02 In what language are these being printed? American English. Where is the largest market of American English publications? *rhetorical question*

If they do well here, maybe then we'll see other areas of the world with reprints in the native lingo.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:49 am 
 

I'd assume American English, and I hope they don't see fit to go through and edit them. Your postage arguement would fall on its tits if they offer to sell them to American's stationed abroad around the world, but not to Europeans serving in the same locations (regardless of APO transport), as it can't be cheaper to bring a book from China into the US and then ship it to Germany, than to ship the same book from China to Italy or the Netherlands and then on to to Germany in the regular manner. And for WotC to say a big FU to the US troops would be seen as a big issue in the States, whereas saying the same to Europe or Australia is seen as acceptable.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:52 pm 
 

SimperingToad wrote:PDT_Armataz_01_02  I hate when I overthink things.  PDT_Armataz_01_02 In what language are these being printed? American English. Where is the largest market of American English publications? *rhetorical question*

If they do well here, maybe then we'll see other areas of the world with reprints in the native lingo.


I don't think the British will have much trouble figuring out that colour and armour are the same things as color and armor.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:05 pm 
 

Yep, but going through a new book with a biro looking for the typos is a bit of a pain. It's more fun to colour in the pictures.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:08 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:
I don't think the British will have much trouble figuring out that colour and armour are the same things as color and armor.


They are..??


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:09 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:
They are..??

So THAT'S what Armor Class  means.  8O
Ash, did you realise when they talk about a locked trunk, it apparently means some sort of locked boots?!


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:17 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:So THAT'S what Armor Class  means.  8O
Ash, did you realise when they talk about a locked trunk, it apparently means some sort of locked boots?!


Even Americans can't agree on this sort of thing...

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mbassoc2003 wrote:So THAT'S what Armor Class  means.  8O
Ash, did you realise when they talk about a locked trunk, it apparently means some sort of locked boots?!


See... Now the whole game is opening up to me!


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mbassoc2003 wrote:So THAT'S what Armor Class  means.  8O
Ash, did you realise when they talk about a locked trunk, it apparently means some sort of locked boots?!


Locked boots?  How do you put them on if you don't have a key?


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:04 pm 
 

She's got rubbish in her boot...

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:24 pm 
 

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Locked boots?  How do you put them on if you don't have a key?

Boots of chasing? chasting? I don't know?


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Boots of holding!

  
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