JasonZavoda wrote:The EO committee did a miraculous job. [snip] But it is just a private organization of individuals who can make whatever descisions they like, choose the artist they want, set prices, etc... with or without the input from anyone else.

Jason, I'm not sure what you mean by the comment above:  are you saying that the EOC wasn't sufficiently transparent in its dealings, that we didn't gather sufficient input from the community, or something else that I'm missing??

JasonZavoda wrote:And nothing should stop any of us from talking about ideas and possibilities.

I agree on all counts:  art projects and non-art-projects.  The Acaeum community members (and by extention, old school gaming folks in general) have a lot to offer.

JasonZavoda wrote:Whoever is on this next committee will decide, but I think they should take the money up front, and work out how many prints from how many people willing to pay, not from an arbitrary number. But that is up to them, I'll be happy to get another limited print however they want to do it.

I think that's a reasonable idea, but I do also believe that folks should be able to get a handle on what they're buying, too:  that's only fair, since so much of art (in this example of a type of project) is in the eye of the beholder.  Being able to see the a sketch form of the art before you commit to it seems very reasonable to me.

All this is my personal opinion, and isn't reflective of the EOC team:  just me ruminating aloud so far.

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JasonZavoda wrote:          
The EO committee did a miraculous job. [snip] But it is just a private organization of individuals who can make whatever descisions they like, choose the artist they want, set prices, etc... with or without the input from anyone else.        


Jason, I'm not sure what you mean by the comment above: are you saying that the EOC wasn't sufficiently transparent in its dealings, that we didn't gather sufficient input from the community, or something else that I'm missing??


JasonZavoda wrote:          
And nothing should stop any of us from talking about ideas and possibilities.        


I agree on all counts: art projects and non-art-projects. The Acaeum community members (and by extention, old school gaming folks in general) have a lot to offer.


JasonZavoda wrote:          

Whoever is on this next committee will decide, but I think they should take the money up front, and work out how many prints from how many people willing to pay, not from an arbitrary number. But that is up to them, I'll be happy to get another limited print however they want to do it.        


I think that's a reasonable idea, but I do also believe that folks should be able to get a handle on what they're buying, too: that's only fair, since so much of art (in this example of a type of project) is in the eye of the beholder. Being able to see the a sketch form of the art before you commit to it seems very reasonable to me.

All this is my personal opinion, and isn't reflective of the EOC team: just me ruminating aloud so far.

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Allan,


My reply was to BJ's post. So it might seem confusing out of context.

I think it also gets confusing with the EO committee stuff to understand that it isn't something official. It can be as transparent or opaque as it likes since it is just a bunch of guys who got their act together and went from idea to actual production, a miraculous feat.

But like BJ is pointing out, you guys can take a breather if you want for however long you want and if other people want to work on projects they are more than welcome to do so.

If people are asking the EO committee to get up and go to work you have more than a right to tell them to shut up and wait till the EO committee is good and ready (and I use 'shut up' because Frank blushes when I use my more flowery language). But if people want to talk about future artists, alternate projects, etc... I wish the EO committee would understand that it doesn't mean that people are asking them to come up to bat again. You guys can listen to, comment on or ignore the input completely. If people want to talk about it they are going to talk about it, and if anyone wants to start working on a project, we can get the ball rolling anytime. Hell, I'm going to start working on a small project pretty soon but I'm still collecting ideas and hoping to get a few people interested enough to help with it.

So, Allan, I don't know how transparent you were or are or want to be. It wasn't what I was talking about. I was just saying you are a private group and only accountable to yourselves and what you promised people who shelled out the bucks (which you delivered on completely).

Prufrock wrote:To outskirtsofinfiniti,

I apologize.  I should not have call you a "dumbass".  

On the topic:
I really think Foul hit the nail on the head with his post.  Some of the most talented artists are more than within our reach.  The EO committee generated a great deal of "goodwill" with the first print.  I want to build on that goodwill and actually name the series (creat a brand).  Something such as "The Acaeum Artist Spotlight Series."  I said it before, if the we can do another print and confirm to those outside our immediate community that we can pull off these types of projects, we could encounter much higher print runs.  With that reputation behind us, I think you would find artist coming to us.

Jason,

I do want the committee to become the official body for the series.  I want to protect the goodwill and the reputation that has been created.  All we need is for someone here with a history of bad manners to say they are going to do a project and completely botch it up and destroy the goodwill.  

This in no way stops you or I from starting any project of our own.  I just want the series name reserved for the committee's projects.

Martin

Martin,

I think that would be up to Foul. It is his site I believe, started and hosted by him. The guys on the committee are a pretty gracious bunch, and they may be the only ones to be able to get this kind of project off the ground and amazingly enough completed (and after 15 years of seeing and being involved with online projects I can tell you very, very few ever see the light of day, even after being talked up a treat, let alone come out as fantastic as the EO print).

But I would rather have a free market approach than the start of an acaeum bureaucracy.

Prufrock wrote:"The Acaeum Artist Spotlight Series."

Hmmmmm.  I guess that makes the committee a bunch of A.A.S.S.'s?  

Prufrock wrote:Yeah, I agree.  The acrnym sucks.

Martin

Maybe the "Acaeum Community Art Enterprise Unified Movement"

or some such...

ashmire13 wrote:
Maybe the "Acaeum Community Art Enterprise Unified Movement"

or some such...

Or the "Acaeum Community Art Explorers Unified Medley"

if you go down the road of having multiple artists taking a group of a adventurers through a story line...

JasonZavoda wrote:
Martin,

I think that would be up to Foul. It is his site I believe, started and hosted by him. The guys on the committee are a pretty gracious bunch, and they may be the only ones to be able to get this kind of project off the ground and amazingly enough completed (and after 15 years of seeing and being involved with online projects I can tell you very, very few ever see the light of day, even after being talked up a treat, let alone come out as fantastic as the EO print).

But I would rather have a free market approach than the start of an acaeum bureaucracy.

A gracious bunch?  Every one of these guys is a rapscallion!  But they are hard-working, got-their-act-together rapscallions.

I have never been sure exactly what a "bureaucracy" is, so I just looked it up.  "Excessive multiplication of, and concentration of power in, administrative bureaus or administrators."  Wouldn't that mean that by having several committees, each with their own projects annointed by the Acaeum, we would create a bureaucracy?  I am all for a free market, and will be among the first to jump on the bandwagon for a new project of any type, and run by almost anyone.  But as far as the Acaeum art commissions go, I think it should stay in the hands of the same rapscallions that saw the EO commission through to the end.  Although why they would be willing to do so is beyond me, as it requires hours of work, large doses of diplomacy, putting up with loads of unasked-for advice, with no monetary reward.  We are lucky to have them.

Am watching with interest, though, as other types of projects are discussed - especially adventures.  Interesting thread.

Gnat the Beggar wrote:So; How many of these what will be the next Acaeum Artwork threads are there anyway?

Just this one for art as far as I've seen..  

But if you want a new boardgame, fluffy hat, module or badge... Look elsewhere.  

I am a bit mystified by why people are saying they are "in" without knowing anything about what "in" is.  I realize that people are excited, and perhaps concerned that might be excluded if they don't get "in" quickly enough, but there is nothing to get "in" on at the moment, but the conversation.

Well, what the hell, I guess I'm in too!