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Post Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:28 pm 
 

Tharizdun wrote:San Diego is the most overrated team...



Fixed it for you..... :wink:  :lol:

Either the Colts did themselves a favor (should they wipe the floor with the Jets), or they shot themselves in the foot (should they somehow lose to the Jets).  Should be a fun game either way.

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:51 am 
 

The Cowboys ran a nice clinic on how to lose a playoff game.  They hit all the main bullet points.

As a resident of the Pacific Northwest....

With the Cowboys playing the Vikings in the playoffs, I was sure that the Seahawks would somehow find a way to broadcast one of their games and force the entire region to watch them suck rather than getting a real game on TV.

(People in Portland, Oregon hate the Seahawks for exactly that reason.  They have to watch the Seahawks rather than whatever awesome game the rest of the country is watching.)


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:08 am 
 

San Diego is the most overrated team...

Their playoff performances are predictable :wink:

Purple people eaters look like the best team now.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:14 am 
 

Tharizdun wrote:Their playoff performances are predictable :wink:

Purple people eaters look like the best team now.


Tharizdun,

I suggest you stick to collecting art.  If you think the Vikings are the best team left I'm prepared to make any kind of art wager you would like that they do not win the SB or even the next game.  

Indy will destroy the Jets.  We were ahead when the coach pulled the troops back in December.  And now that Manning has seen the Jets defense once, he will pick them apart in the second meeting.  One last thing, everyone likes to point out that Indy's defense isn't that good.  Yet, so far in the playoffs no one has scored a touchdown on them.  Held Baltimore to a field goal and put 20 points on the 2nd best defense.

To me it looks like Indy against the Saints.  Great game - honestly do not see who has the advantage.

P.S.  I feel I owe the Cowboy Fans an apology.  You see Mr. Romo played ball at my Alma mater (Eastern Illinois University).  He could not win the big game there either.

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:56 am 
 

Yet, so far in the playoffs no one has scored a touchdown on them


They only played one game so far :roll:
San Diego owns the Colts... it worked out great that the Colts let the Jets win that game. It will be great karma though for them to get beat up by the Jets 8) It will also be good for the NFL with the "problem" of teams not playing starters at the end of the season if the Jets win. The Colts GM/Coach will look like morons if they lose... Jets kinda look like that Ravens team that won it back in 2000.

New Orleans beat up an awful bad defense. Vikings will creat problems. I can't believe Saints are even favored by 4 right now :?  Man up with your wager... I have a lot more art than you do :twisted:


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:33 am 
 

Tharizdun wrote:
 Man up with your wager... I have a lot more art than you do :twisted:


On the basis that the Vikings are going to stroll on to picking up the 'Bowl, Martin,  I wager Tharizduns stash of art that they beat the Indy Dolts....  17-14

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:57 am 
 

Tharizdun wrote:
New Orleans beat up an awful bad defense. Vikings will creat problems. I can't believe Saints are even favored by 4 right now :?  Man up with your wager... I have a lot more art than you do :twisted:


Home team always gets 3-4 pts. The win against the Cards was convincing enough that the bookies aren't scared of basically making this a "pick-em" game, at least to start out with.

The Vikings beat a Cowboys team that just won a playoff game after not having any previously in 13 years; the Saints beat a team that went to the superbowl last year.  I bet when the money starts coming in you'll be surprised; most of the the Vikes points were scored late when the game was already decided, and despite numerous miscues on the Cowboys part it was still a close game by halftime.  I wouldn't be shocked if the margin actually goes up a few points by weeks end as money comes in for the Saints; Vikes fans hold your money until Friday!!! You'll get more points   :D  

Jets vs Colts? It looks silly on paper.  But we've seen a great Defense do some amazing things in the playoffs before.  Because of the QB matchup alone though I'd have to keep betting against the Jets (if I was a betting man).  Sanchez just has to turn into a pumpkin at some point, right?

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:29 am 
 

Okay it's settled then, Ashmire bets Tharizdun's collection of art against my collection that the Vikings will beat the Colts 17 -14 in the SB.

Tharizdun:  you agree I'm an idiot for not taking that bet, right?  :twisted:

Disclaimer:  This is not a actual wager.  

However, if Indy does win the SB I think Tharizdun could and should send me one piece of art from his collection in a reconcillitory gesture for trashing my team.  May I suggest the Frazier piece  :twisted:

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:32 am 
 

Badmike wrote:
 Sanchez just has to turn into a pumpkin at some point, right?

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When he drops back to pass and sees Freeney charging at him....pooff pumkin pie.

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:55 am 
 

Prufrock wrote:P.S.  I feel I owe the Cowboy Fans an apology.  You see Mr. Romo played ball at my Alma mater (Eastern Illinois University).  He could not win the big game there either.

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Exactly what big game would that be?  :lol:  

It's kind of funny you say that Martin since pretty much every sportswriter on the planet used to say the exact same thing about Peyton Manning until he finally won the Super Bowl in 2006.  He was another great college quarterback that couldnt get his team past Florida or to the National Championship either.  There are still people saying that he won't be considered the greatest quarterback ever unless he wins another Super Bowl even though he will probably surpass most of the major passing records before he retires.  Bah!  I hate sportswriters...they change their minds more often than politicians.

Romo is a damn good quarterback who deserves to be regarded as such.  He is capable of winning big games (New Orleans, three wins against the Eagles this year) but it is pretty difficult to do much when your offensive line makes so many damn mistakes.  Of all the people that were responsible for losing this game, Romo should be last on the list.  Dallas' defense didnt show up.  Their secondary, which had done well the last few games, looked completely inept out there.  Their defensive line couldnt get to Favre, and anyone who knows anything about football knows that a team that can get pressure on the quarterback has the best chance of winning.  Their offensive line, which I thought was the key to their success this year, was atrocious.  They couldnt run the ball for shit so they had to go to the pass and that was taken away from them as well.  Throw in some stupid ass coaching mistakes and a couple of missed field goals and you have an awful recipe for disaster.

The Cowboys were outcoached and outmatched against the Vikings at home.  But saying that the Cowboys are overrated (tharizdun) or didnt deserve to be there is just nonsense.  :?   A few years ago I would be rooting for the Vikings to win the Super Bowl because I can't stand the Saints but now that Favre is their quarterback I will be rooting for the Saints.  Kind of difficult to root for a guy who I have zero respect for.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:12 am 
 

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Exactly what big game would that be?  :lol:  

It's kind of funny you say that Martin since pretty much every sportswriter on the planet used to say the exact same thing about Peyton Manning until he finally won the Super Bowl in 2006.


Nice one King...Ouch!  

Actually, pretty much EVERY QB in the NFL gets the "Can't win the big one" if they don't do it the first time, like Brady and Warner did.  Heck, Terry Bradshaw used to get that.  You know that guy, Aikman, that does the Fox games? After his dismal rookie season when he didn't win a game (the lone win that year came from Steve Walsh who filled in for an injured Troy), people were thinking it was a huge mistake to have him start. Lots of people said Steve Walsh should be the starter over Troy....not just fans, but "professionals" like coaches, journalists, scouts, etc.  
Then, when he got hurt the next couple of years and guys like Babe Laufenberg and Steve Beurlein had to fill in, EVERYONE hit him with the "fragile" label and said he'd never be healthy enough to finish out a season.  For about three years, Troy was the poster boy for "Can't win the big game"....until he won it in his 4th year.  Then, of course, it was "Well, he got lucky once, but...." :roll:

Those that keep up with things will note it was about this time that a journalist named Skip Bayless came out with a book where he hinted Troy was gay.  Many people don't know the basis for the rip job...but those of us in Dallas do. It was because Skip was one of the main opponents who first said the Cowboys shouldn't have taken Troy in the draft, then said Steve Walsh should start over him, then said he was too fragile for the NFL, then picked against him every playoff game that first SB year, including the Superbowl......then went on the NEXT year to again pick against him every playoff game, including the superbowl.... :D   There was a LOT of speculation that the book was the result of much pent up frustration on Skip's part, having incorrectly deduced the entirety of Troy's career from start to finish. One reason why I roll my eyes at the "Experts". And why I laugh at every single thing that comes out of Skip's mouth to this day.....

Romo will eventually get to the NFC championship game or superbowl, he's too good not to, and he'll get the "never won the big game" tag until then, its all part of the game.

BTW it's futile to root against the Vikings. The Football Gods have long cursed that franchise, why they see fit to torture Vike's fans anymore with this illusion of a Superbowl is simple cruelty. And to dangle that goal in front of their face using their enemy Favre as the bait?  Sick, sick, sick.... :twisted:

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:08 am 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:20 pm 
 

most of the the Vikes points were scored late when the game was already decided, and despite numerous miscues on the Cowboys part it was still a close game by halftime.


The Cowboys were signing up for NTRPGCon well before halftime. I dunno what game you were watching...


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Packers will be a favorite next year, moreso if Favre retires.

If defense wins championships both road teams should win next week.

Martin, I will give you an original TSR map if Indy wins the Superbowl. Only reason they won last time was cause they played against a terrible quarterback and overrated defense :wink:


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:25 pm 
 

Home team always gets 3-4 pts.


Homefield advantage no longer exists to the extent that it once did. The only true homefield advantage remains in locations like Denver where the homefield players have a proven advantage.

Edit: This season has an unusual # of home teams winning compared to previous years this decade... look it up.


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:25 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:Go Packers!

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Yeah!  I'll bet all of Martin's art the Packers will make it into the Superbowl this year! :wink:

These shall be a good 3 games left though.  I'm hoping the Vikings go all the way.  Jets I like because of the rookie QB and attitude about getting to the Superbowl despite sports always backing away from any media attention the other team may use for hype. Besides it would be funny to see Favre's former team go down just one year removed in the Superbowl vs the Vikings.

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:51 pm 
 

Tharizdun wrote:
Martin, I will give you an original TSR map if Indy wins the Superbowl. Only reason they won last time was cause they played against a terrible quarterback and overrated defense :wink:


I have to agree with your assessment of Chicago.  I was so sure that Indy would win and cover that I wagered over $1000 on that game.  

I think the Vikings have the kind of defense that could give Brees fits.  I think Mr. Allen is going to introduce himself to Mr. Brees several times during the game.  This game could be the upset next week.  My score prediction 35 - 30 Saints.

My score prediction of the Jets vs. Colts:  10 - 27.  It comes down to the fact that the Jets are not a high scoring team.  Yes, they have a great defense but Peyton has seen it once and the mystery is gone.  Peyton will score over 20 points and that spells doom for the Jets.  Indy's defense is better than most people think.  In fact, they are quite good.  That fact coupled with the Jets anemic offense spells a win for the Colts.

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:15 pm 
 

Prufrock wrote:Okay it's settled then, Ashmire bets Tharizdun's collection of art against my collection that the Vikings will beat the Colts 17 -14 in the SB.


Disclaimer:  This is not a actual wager.  



Dammit, you saw through my cunning plan!!  :lol:  :lol:

Of course, I have no idea what players are good, what defence is good and who is the best player.

However, once a Vikings fan, always a Vikings fan (goes back to being beaten year on year by the great Bears team of the mid80's!  :wink: )

But, I'll actually stay up all night to watch the game (or at least Sky+ it) this year if the Vikings do get there! :salut:


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:21 pm 
 

Tharizdun wrote:
Homefield advantage no longer exists to the extent that it once did. The only true homefield advantage remains in locations like Denver where the homefield players have a proven advantage.


The Vikes didn't have a proven advantage at home? Vikings won ALL of their home games this season....coincidence? They lost road games this year to much inferior foes (Panthers, Bears, etc). The Saints are better than any team the Vikes lost to this year.  There was/is no way on earth the bookies were going to call this game even, or give the Vikes any points, unless money starts pouring in on the Vikings side for some reason, which it won't. I really expect the line to go UP by the end of the week.

Which is why the bookies give 2 1/2-4 pts to the home team for homefield advantage when the teams are mostly evenly matched....they aren't going to call a game "even" because so much money would drop on the hometeam it would be crazy, especially in this case where a huge disparity does NOT exist. The 3-4 pts is a way of siphoning off some money to the away team in an "evenly matched" contest.

The Vikings were up 14 pts at halftime despite the Boys having two missed FGs, two fumbles, an Int, and other miscues.  The Vikes let dumb penalties take them out of scoring chances several times.  The score should have been 31-3 at halftime with Favre icing his arm and drinking gatorade to prepare for next week.  For Petersen, 8th straight game under 100 yds, and in a blowout, ran 63 yds (less than 3 yds a carry). Two weeks to prepare for the Cowboys, one week to prepare for Saints (and the Saints have a full extra day of rest) with travel included. All reasons for the homefield advantage in this case.

I'm not saying the Vikes won't take apart the Saints (I doubt it), but those are all reasons the home team in this case have been given pts.  The Vikes are legitimate underdogs here, and if they roll into the Big Easy thinking they just have to run Favre run out onto the field to win, they'll lose and lose big. BTW, if the situation was reversed and the game was being played in Minnesota, I'd roll the other way, and I bet the bookies would also....these are two really, really good home crowds!

I wonder how the Jets/Colts game is going to advance this week.  Bookies must be pulling their hair out.  Logically they should be giving the Jets 7-10 pts....at LEAST.  However after what the Jets have shown the last two weeks they are going to have to be cautious. History shows us that half the time one of the championship games is a blowout (team wins by 14-17 pts), and they have to be looking at this one.  But after what the Jets pulled in California this weekend, that all might be out the window.

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