Tszii wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:I also dont get how folks selling PODs are just capitalists, buyer beware; but this guy is a thief for having the cheapest current copy on ebay?

I have no issue in either case, PoD or Sealed in Plastic, with the pricing mechanism. The evidence is there for all to see, and if a buyer chooses to buy something and pay an extra $50 for something PoD from eBay over Lulu, that's entirely on him. Likewise, if a buyer chooses to pay and extra $2000 for an magazine for a plastic moth box and the assurance that he will never be able to check or know the truth, that's entirely on him.

The plastic box thing is based on the greater fool business model. No-one is buying a magazine that costs $500 for $2500 because they want the magazine in their collection. They are buying it because they believe that in the future some idiot will be more stupid than they are, and pay them more for it because its still in its box. The buyer is doing something stupid and betting that he'll find someone more stupid than himself in the future. He's gambling that he's not the stupidest person out these. That's one helluva gamble for many of these muppets.

That is wholly different from the person who gets the magazine and sends it for grading. They are buying something for whatever, $500, paying to have it graded, and selling it for $2500. That is damn good business sense. They are not the idiots here. They are merely preying on the stupidity of the buying public, which indeed is no different from buying a stack of PoD modules for $20 a pop and selling them for $70 a shot. In each instance I see nothing wrong with the buy/sell process. I do see something morally wrong with telling someone that they do not need to think for themselves but just do as they are told. But morals aside, if a buyer is that stupid they really do need to learn a lesson life should have taught them before they grew up.

In both instances I believe the buy sell transaction is entirely personal between the buyer and seller. The seller is merely exploiting a current business opportunity, and the buyer is merely paying over the odds for his own bone idleness and/or willful ignorance.

Zenonmarfat wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:Just so you know sir, a "Good" grading on the CGC grading scale is a 2.0 to 2.5. So you are correct, my copy is not in Good condition, it is FINE-!

These are all merely subjective terms. They have no definition or standard that is not based purely on their own belief in what they want those words to mean, and they do not have any experience in the RPG industry. That said, if you have a mechanism to buy something for whatever, and sell it for 5X, that is good business sense if you can get the buyers. More power to you. My only issue was the mischaracterization of the rarity of the item and the statement that your buyer should not think about what he was doing because you'd already paid someone to do his thinking for him. If I send a copy of something to them and they grade it 3, but its the only copy they have graded, and everyone sells them regularly on eBay, would I be lying if I posted saying my copy was the only known copy, and the highest graded copy in the world? Just because there are 8 copies graded and yours falls in the lowest 25%, does not make your copy rare or high quality, and your characterization as such is deliberately misleading.

I can only imagine that you didn't point out that the overwhelming majority of graded examples are better than the one you are selling was because you preferred your take on the truth to the actual truth. But again, you are a seller selling in a relatively free market, and you have the right to represent your version of things in whatever way best creates the chance of you making the sale. I do understand that. But just so we're clear, the only reason you cannot lay claim to have the worst copy ever graded is because CGC's system of grading is too general and not accurate enough to differentiate between this copy and the other similarly graded item. That is the flaw with the whole grading system and the misrepresentation of what is being said. It is not accurate, and it does not represent what is available in the collecting community or representative of what collectors have in their collections, or have had pass through their collections.

I clearly used the word 'lie' in the heat of the moment, when I should have used the word 'misrepresent', and for that I apologies. I believe you misrepresented the rarity of the magazine and mischaracterized its condition, as neither are exceptional examples, and even CGC place it at the bottom of that they see, which you failed to point out to your buyer. But then, it is up to the buyer to understand what he is doing, isn't it?

mbassoc2003 wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:
The plastic box thing is based on the greater fool business model. No-one is buying a magazine that costs $500 for $2500 because they want the magazine in their collection. They are buying it because they believe that in the future some idiot will be more stupid than they are, and pay them more for it because its still in its box. The buyer is doing something stupid and betting that he'll find someone more stupid than himself in the future. He's gambling that he's not the stupidest person out these. That's one helluva gamble for many of these muppets.

Whelp, I accidentally deleted my post. I get to do this twice.

Its beyond cynical to think folks who want graded items are participating in a greater fools strategy. Ive known too many who buy graded sports cards, comics and Pokemon. My local comic store even grades comics straight from UPS. Graded items are easier to display, customers have more information about what they are buying, they can immediately display them because they are more protected. Some want the 9s or 10s. Some buy the few 1.0s. A few even buy the scale 1-10 to display. Its a pain in the ass to grade items and expensive if only sending a few things at a time. Grading is value add - for some, again, not everyone.

I cant debate if PSA and CGC have credibility. They do. Not with every human, including the monks in Tibet. Not every soul. They do with many in different hobbies though, including those who owned million dollar cards and comics. I agree with those folks. I respect if you dont.

Five or ten years from now we will have folks on this forum, or discord, talking about pursing S1 CGC 10s. As long as I am still alive and kicking, I hope to be discussing all sorts of topics with you. :)

He didnt mean you were a jerk seller of the Dragon #1! We just free wheel sometimes and disagree. And you dont post enough. And tell me how you felt about that 5.5. Bastards could have gave it a 6.0!

Just following up on submitted modules for grading.

Mine were mailed off in July 2022 and aren't due back to April or May of this this year. Frankly, its been so long, I go long stretches and forget I even sent them. I have zero excitement now, but expect to be happy to see them graded. I still have a concern they wont grade them for one reason or another. Card submissions are occasionally returned ungraded for several reasons.

Also, has anyone else here submitted any for grading? If so, what did you submit? Folks out there are submitting more than ever. Its up to 260 days from 180 for a return. Keep in mind, that's business days. 260 days is about 13 months. You can pay essentially double, or $85 per magazine, to have them graded in 70 days, or 3-4 months. ikr?

Tszii wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:Just following up on submitted modules for grading.

Mine were mailed off in July 2022 and aren't due back to April or May of this this year. .

That is obscene.  Too much life can happen during that long of a wait.  It needs to come down to a month, maybe two...the industry needs to either hire more people or do something else to scale to demand.  

-SKA

Tszii wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:Just following up on submitted modules for grading.

Mine were mailed off in July 2022 and aren't due back to April or May of this this year. Frankly, its been so long, I go long stretches and forget I even sent them. I have zero excitement now, but expect to be happy to see them graded. I still have a concern they wont grade them for one reason or another. Card submissions are occasionally returned ungraded for several reasons.

Also, has anyone else here submitted any for grading? If so, what did you submit? Folks out there are submitting more than ever. Its up to 260 days from 180 for a return. Keep in mind, that's business days. 260 days is about 13 months. You can pay essentially double, or $85 per magazine, to have them graded in 70 days, or 3-4 months. ikr?

Holy fucknuts. That just told me if the answer to the question should I start sending this stuff off to be graded? (Answer: Nope). I mean, I'm 60, there's a pretty good chance I'll pass on before they get back to me.

Mike B.

MegaTherion wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:
Isn't there a way to submit them at Comic Cons or through an authorized Comic Dealer and the turn-around is quicker?

Walk Through is $150, or 3% minimum. So $45 for a year, $85 for 3-4 months, $150 for three days.

Based on nothing, I think a 9.6 S1 mono could sell for $600-$800 soon, so it could be worth it. I say this so I can look back and see if I was right or just wrong again. :)

Badmike wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:...... I mean, I'm 60, there's a pretty good chance I'll pass on before they get back to me.

Mike B.

If you die anytime soon, both Gary and I are going to kill you.  Stay healthy my friend.    :?

I am normally not a big fan of entombing my RPG things in plastic, but I decided to do so with my Dragon #1.  I have to admit I am happy with the grade.  It is the second highest grade awarded to date. (Small sample size alert.)  Pretty good considering I bought this off the TSR table at Origins 2 and threw it in a box for 30 years before I decided to bag and board it.

ddt58 wrote in Your opinion doesnt matter anymore:I am normally not a big fan of entombing my RPG things in plastic, but I decided to do so with my Dragon #1.  I have to admit I am happy with the grade.  It is the second highest grade awarded to date. (Small sample size alert.)  Pretty good considering I bought this off the TSR table at Origins 2 and threw it in a box for 30 years before I decided to bag and board it.

I dont know what to say. That is glorious. It may be the best looking #1 in existence. It also may stay the best looking one.