Gnat the Beggar wrote:And this aint new.
Look at the early years of E-Bay when a Brown Box might be sold for less than $100 and that was not uncommon for many highly rare items either...

Ahhh, I miss those days....

TheMilford wrote:Really? Do you really think that these OCCASIONAL transactions actually scare people away?

Sure, they can do; for one example, we've had people sign up here when they decided to sell a few of their old RPG items, were caught in time before they sold to a cheap BIN and decided to hang around and take more of an interest in the hobby again utilising the money they obtained from that sale going to a proper, well-advertised conclusion. Is that a bad result for the community?

In other cases, people haven't participated openly here but have passed on many snippets of knowledge that they'd've been less likely to had the first person snagged the goods at a knock-down BIN and no-one spotted that transaction.

TheMilford wrote:I would gather any new-comers to the hobby would be crossing their fingers for the same kind of deal and the same kind of back slapping that we give each other around here when we score such deals.

And honestly, no bullshit, if we had known it was TheHistorian right off the bat, instead of the pontification that it might be some known Acaeum adversary... Not a single person here would have voiced a problem with it.

Just look in the "recent fun finds" thread.

I don't see the majority of the community backslapping and praying its them next time, do you?
Treating the Acaeum as if it's one cohesive "we" with a single ethic doesn't work, either way, IMO.

02c/ymmv as ever, of course,
David.

faro wrote:
Sure, they can do; for one example, we've had people sign up here when they decided to sell a few of their old RPG items, were caught in time before they sold to a cheap BIN and decided to hang around and take more of an interest in the hobby again utilising the money they obtained from that sale going to a proper, well-advertised conclusion. Is that a bad result for the community?

In other cases, people haven't participated openly here but have passed on many snippets of knowledge that they'd've been less likely to had the first person snagged the goods at a knock-down BIN and no-one spotted that transaction.

I don't see the majority of the community backslapping and praying its them next time, do you?
Treating the Acaeum as if it's one cohesive "we" with a single ethic doesn't work, either way, IMO.

02c/ymmv as ever, of course,
David.

Neither of your first two "examples" are of what I asked... they are examples of universal positives of this community.

"good deal!" "great score!" " " "Nice one!"

These are the replies this kind of deal often garners. That is the backslapping I was referring to. And it happens and the ones replying are part of this community.

We are a community and we tend to give each other encouragement and blessings. We are also an open resource to anybody that needs "us".

There is no excuse, in this information age, for crying that you were taken advantage of because you didn't know the item you were selling on eBay's worth.

mbassoc2003 wrote:I see no problem with it at all.
I've not managed it before, but I often get people asking if I had a BIM in mind when I list things in open auction. It's a fair game and a lot of people play it, and provided the sale happens on eBay it's all open and above board too.

In fact, didn't someone (Bclarkie?) lose out on a Rahasia or Pharoah by agreeing a BIN o0nly to find someone else hit the button seconds before?

It wasn't me.  

Someone negotiated that lowball BIN(that to my knowledge was never revealed as to who it was) to which BTB was the beneficiary of finding it before the "negotiator" did.  I had no involvement in that transaction, until after the fact when the shit hit the fan.

And I know for a fact it was a Pharaoh, but not because I remember it specifically, but because of a reason that's not immediately known to others that's readily apparent in this thread, but I digress.

That said, I tend to agree with David with respect to most negotiated BINs.

If the transaction went exactly as has been told, I really don't have that big of an issue with it(as long as the seller was not mislead in any way shape or form), although the seller canceled a legit bid prior to doing so(with which I DO have an issue with, frankly that's bullshit), but David makes a solid point regardless with respect to the overall good of the community.

I guess I need to clarify my point of view. I am sure when TheHistorian sent his email there were no bids on the module, but between the time he sent it and the seller replied there was a bid placed on it. At that point I believe the auction should have been allowed to run its course.

maybe thats just me.




Mike

chromaticknight wrote:I guess I need to clarify my point of view. I am sure when TheHistorian sent his email there were no bids on the module, but between the time he sent it and the seller replied there was a bid placed on it. At that point I believe the auction should have been allowed to run its course.

maybe thats just me.




Mike

And that isn't the point of all the unethical crap that is being spewed.

If you see an item, write the seller and make an offer, And get a bargain deal, Sweet.

There is nothing unethical about making a lowball offer, or buying something that is priced well, well, below what you believe the going price should be. It is called getting a hell of a bargain.

What is unethical is ebay letting sellers cancel bids. But this ethics garbage started before that was even said to be the case, and it doesn't apply to the buyer here either, so it sucks, the seller is a scumbag and got what he deserved, but don't jump on the buyer because of it.

JasonZavoda wrote:the seller is a scumbag

"Scumbag" = deciding not to renege on a done deal before the item is sent out when they knew they could've been $200+ better off?

JasonZavoda wrote:
Maybe you should reread mine.

I agree you got screwed, and I am saying that ebay and the seller screwed you. The seller screwed himself and got his just deserts and the buyer didn't do anything wrong, and especially not unethical. What do you disagree with?

So the buyer has no culpability in this at all, whether it was intended or not?

chromaticknight wrote:
I didnt get screwed. My bid was $25. It was placed for the same reason Brian noted above. TheHistorian didnt do anything wrong. Thats what my previous post noted. The seller should have let the auction run its course. I dont see how I can make that any simpler for you.



Mike

A seller who cancels out bids screws over a buyer, anytime, anywhere for any auction.

You got screwed because the seller didn't let the auction run its course. What do you want to call it when a seller cancels out a buyer's bid?