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Post Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:17 pm 
 

In December and early January, I purchased some fairly common RPG items from Titan Games and placed a couple of their store items on my EBay watchlist to buy at a later point.  They were all new items with good prices and free shipping.  About a week ago, I noticed that most of the listings were ended early.  I thought this was odd and today noticed this interesting 'About Me' page for their store:



http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... itan-games



I wonder how many other large resellers will soon abandon the Ebay ship and head for Amazon?  8O


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:30 pm 
 

smarmy1 wrote:In December and early January, I purchased some fairly common RPG items from Titan Games and placed a couple of their store items on my EBay watchlist to buy at a later point.  They were all new items with good prices and free shipping.  About a week ago, I noticed that most of the listings were ended early.  I thought this was odd and today noticed this interesting 'About Me' page for their store:

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... itan-games

I wonder how many other large resellers will soon abandon the Ebay ship and head for Amazon?  8O




Amazon sellers don't combine shipping, so its fitting for them.



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Post Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:45 pm 
 

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Amazon sellers don't combine shipping, so its fitting for them.

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I think it's more about the fact that Amazon doesn't charge anything just to list an item. 4000 items x .05 can drain your bank account pretty quickly.

I thought about moving for the same reason.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:25 pm 
 

Screw the policy changes!  eBay pages got all uglified, and there ain't no goin' back.  Now I must see how customizable the new pages are so I don't get distracted by all of the flashy color transitions and 3-D bars.



. . . http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa? ... 2496746687



The new My eBay, currently called My eBay Preview, will become the only version of My eBay available in the new year.

From May through October, 2008, the My eBay team solicited feedback about the new My eBay, which was in beta at that time. Many of you gave us specific product-related requests and feedback about the new My eBay (thank you!). As a result, we iterated on the design and features. We are now ready to retire the old version. On Tuesday, January 20, 2009, the new My eBay will be the only version of My eBay available.

This thread tells you about some of the new features and includes FAQ postings to help answer some questions members have sent to eBay Staff.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:40 pm 
 

I think the part about feedback is bu*&^*it. I know no one who likes the new version. It is ugly, less information fits on the screen, and it makes things more difficult to find. Ebay just does what it wants, it doesn't really care about customer or seller feedback. If it were put to a public vote, the old system would stay for sure.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:35 pm 
 

HermitFromPluto wrote:I think the part about feedback is bu*&^*it. I know no one who likes the new version. It is ugly, less information fits on the screen, and it makes things more difficult to find. Ebay just does what it wants, it doesn't really care about customer or seller feedback. If it were put to a public vote, the old system would stay for sure.

Each row of information has been split into left and right columns so I can't scan them easily.  One of my accounts is able to display up to 200 items in the buying section, and another account is unable to do so.

I'll stop bitching now.  Is this a good time to start making purchases while everyone else is adjusting to the new layout, or does sniping make the new layout irrelevant?

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:45 pm 
 

A great article in the latest Business Week about EBay....I have copied it in it's entireity rather than just post the link.  I think it makes several interesting points, the main one being that Amazon is out-ebaying ebay, while ebay is trying to become Amazon yet not succeeding.

I think John Donahue will be gone by the summer, either fired or graciously "moved" to another area or department.  I don't think all the problems of the last year are his fault, obviously the economy had a great deal to do with the slide, but still when shareholders look for blame they are going to look at the guy who said he wanted to change everything, and after he changed everything, stock dropped 30 bucks a share (and falling; down to $11 a share today) and they had their worst quarter ever.  I don't know what would be more troubling, that Amazon and Craigslist are having a better time right now, or that traffic is decreasing to Ebay.  Both may be linked, and are very ominous.

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EBay Sales: Going, Going...
The e-tailer's first quarterly sales decline reflects faltering consumer spending and shows efforts to reignite growth have yet to bear fruit
By Douglas MacMillan
 
By his own admission, eBay Chief Executive John Donahoe is "frustrated." With good reason. Fourth-quarter results reflect the company's first-ever quarterly revenue decline, a sign that Donahoe's effort to reignite growth has yet to take effect.

On Jan. 21, the company said sales dropped 6.4%, to $2.04 billion, amid weakness in consumer spending and strength in the U.S. dollar, which reduces the value of overseas sales. "It's a sign that eBay hasn't been able to buck the trend" of poor consumer turnout during the holiday season, says Jeff Lindsay, an analyst at New York-based Sanford C. Bernstein. "All the advantage of the online channel has gone mostly to Amazon."

Fixed-Price Shopping Goes to Amazon
But eBay's (EBAY) most recent earnings reveal deeper problems than a sour Christmas. As CEO since the March 2008 departure of predecessor Meg Whitman, Donahoe has redoubled efforts to cut eBay's dependence on auctions, which have fallen out of favor for many consumers, and raise the company's reliance on fixed-price items. In short, management has tried to make eBay more like online retailing stalwart Amazon.com (AMZN). Fixed-price sales now account for almost half of all transactions.

Yet, consumers who shop online are flocking to Amazon and other retailers. At eBay, the core online shopping business suffered a double-digit drop in revenue, down 16%, to $1.3 billion. Transactions on its site, excluding the especially poor-performing auto category, fell 12% over the same period. "At the end of the day, if you compare the experience of buying fixed-price items on eBay vs. buying them on Amazon, Amazon wins," says Jim Friedland, an analyst at Cowen & Co. who has a neutral rating on eBay's stock. "It's such a better shopping experience."

Amazon doesn't report earnings until next week. But the site surprised analysts in December when it reported its best Christmas ever, with 6.3 million items ordered in the holiday shopping period. According to ComScore (SCOR), traffic to Amazon in December 2008 improved by 9.8% over the same month in 2007, compared with eBay's 2.5% drop in traffic over the same period. EBay still has the most unique monthly visitors, though the gap is narrowing.

Donahoe's Strategy Falls Short
Only a year into his job as eBay's president and CEO, Donahoe has spearheaded efforts to make the site more compelling for both buyers and sellers of goods. He has addressed making the site easier to navigate and making transactions more secure. His strategy for drawing more revenue from the site by helping the most successful sellers—by including a "search by popularity" function, for example—has drawn criticism from smaller sellers, many of whom have defected to other sites.

The company's most recent financials don't help his case. "I am as frustrated as anyone that the changes we made in 2008 didn't lead to immediate results, but I think it sets us up to go after our key priorities in 2009," Donahoe said in the earnings conference call.

Things may get worse before they get better. The company said first-quarter profits will be 32¢ to 34¢ a share, well below the 40¢ estimated by Wall Street. The company didn't provide a full-year outlook. Profits are being helped by the company's plan, announced in October, to eliminate 10% of its workforce. Shares of eBay slid 6.5%, to 12.47, in extended trading, after the results were released.

Economic weakness isn't helping Donahoe's cause. "Unless they can get the core marketplaces business to turn around, and a fair bit of that will depend on the economy, then they're going to have to look at some more strategic measures," says Sanford C. Bernstein's Lindsay, who has a market-perform rating on eBay's stock. Those measures include refinancing its debt, buying back more stock, and even spinning off or selling its Internet-calling unit, Skype.

And now, Amazon is not the only rival eBay has to worry about. Increasingly its auction business is being undercut by classifieds site Craigslist, according to Scott Wingo, CEO of ChannelAdvisor, which helps sellers manage merchandise on e-commerce sites. Those people who are "cleaning out their closet and selling what they find online" are migrating to Craigslist, he says, because "you don't have to deal with the complexity of fees."


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:38 pm 
 

The new "My eBay" page is a cesspool. The layout is atrocious, and somehow it managed to lose an auction I had bid on -- it no longer lists it as bidding, lost, or won. Just gone. Yay. Cannot even "opt out."

I think its time to remove them.


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serleran wrote:The new "My eBay" page is a cesspool. The layout is atrocious, and somehow it managed to lose an auction I had bid on -- it no longer lists it as bidding, lost, or won. Just gone. Yay. Cannot even "opt out."

I think its time to remove them.


Yep...the new format is permanent as of January, 20th.  I dont much care for it either.  :?


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:00 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:I don't know what would be more troubling, that Amazon and Craigslist are having a better time right now, or that traffic is decreasing to Ebay.  Both may be linked, and are very ominous.

If someone has seen good data on numbers, sellers, and items for Amazon and eBay, I'd like to see it.  I'm taking a WAG (nothing new there) and postulating that eBay is just too much of a PITA for people, especially new sellers, to use.  Other non-eBay avenues are simpler to take:

- The two pawnshops that I visited last year were paying little for items because everyone was selling and no one was buying.  But selling stuff to pawnshops is simple.

- Judging by number of customers and the boxes of books in the DFW Half-Price Books' buying area, people are selling books, too.  Selling to HPB is simple.

- Amazon requires no money and more-or-less pays for postage, and listing items is as easy as entering a barcode.

- Craigslist is free and local, so it's cheap to deliver an item for cash.

All of the above are simple transactions that involve little pain for the seller.  Amazon and Craigslist items are not guaranteed to generate cash quickly, but they do not involve an ever-changing, double-charging company like eBay-Paypal.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:24 pm 
 

The thing that I don't understand is that eBay's strength and appeal has never been its fixed-price items.  The allure has always been in the auction process and "the deal."  You can get stuff for really cheap sometimes.  If that's the case, why go head to head with Amazon and fixate on fixed-price items?  I think eBay should offer fixed-price listing as an option, but to focus on that instead of their strength makes no sense to me.  

The other thing that I don't understand are the constant changes.  They keep changing this or that in the name of improvements.  Sure, increase the bandwidth or the number of servers or go after new countries, but they keep tweaking fees and layout when they had a great thing years ago.

I don't know. It all reeks to me of efforts to increase the value of the stock and someone wanting to place their mark on the business; two initiatives that frustrate me and drive me away.

In their defense, I do think eBayers have learned how to abuse the system better and get around the Feedback system or the fees and such which can be frustrating for newbs.  A change was called for.  But instead of simply hiring more quality control people who would actually kick out problem sellers (takes a glance in Coug's direction), they create policies that sound good but don't really touch the problem sellers.

EBay just doesn't get it.  Make it fun by making it an auction site that suspends problem sellers for year and allows them back in on probation status for another year.  If they don't clean up their act, kick them off permanently.  That's a change I'd like. 8)


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:36 pm 
 

benjoshua wrote:The thing that I don't understand is that eBay's strength and appeal has never been its fixed-price items.  The allure has always been in the auction process and "the deal."  You can get stuff for really cheap sometimes.  If that's the case, why go head to head with Amazon and fixate on fixed-price items?  I think eBay should offer fixed-price listing as an option, but to focus on that instead of their strength makes no sense to me.  

The other thing that I don't understand are the constant changes.  They keep changing this or that in the name of improvements.  Sure, increase the bandwidth or the number of servers or go after new countries, but they keep tweaking fees and layout when they had a great thing years ago.

I don't know. It all reeks to me of efforts to increase the value of the stock and someone wanting to place their mark on the business; two initiatives that frustrate me and drive me away.

In their defense, I do think eBayers have learned how to abuse the system better and get around the Feedback system or the fees and such which can be frustrating for newbs.  A change was called for.  But instead of simply hiring more quality control people who would actually kick out problem sellers (takes a glance in Coug's direction), they create policies that sound good but don't really touch the problem sellers.

EBay just doesn't get it.  Make it fun by making it an auction site that suspends problem sellers for year and allows them back in on probation status for another year.  If they don't clean up their act, kick them off permanently.  That's a change I'd like. 8)


I think the short term solution is going to be firing JD.  Maybe such a move will bring back a lot of the die-hards that hate the guy's guts.  His list of mistakes, misreadings of the market, bloopers and blunders can fill a book, one which I'm sure someone will write someday. However, the one saving grace is that with very few tweaks, I think Ebay can be back to making a lot of money again for sellers and shareholders.

This is why I ultimately think JD is gone, and that it's a foregone conclusion that he will be gone if the 2nd and 3rd quarters don't bounce back significantly. After all, this is a business that should be EXCELLING in the current economic climate, and is instead FAILING.  Such stupidity will not go unrewarded, IMO. When Generic CEO Type takes over once JD is gone, they can quickly win back a lot of sellers and market support by immediately lowering fees, once again letting sellers accept any form of payment, and eliminating the DSR-reliant feedback changes. Those three changes, more than any other, have alienated and driven away sellers over the past year, which has led to what is happening now.

There is absolutely no way Amazon should be doing better than Ebay, being that listers on Amazon can ONLY sell what is in the Amazon data bank, while theoretically Ebay is open to anything.  I know there are a lot of issues here but bottom line Ebay should be the undisputed king of online selling, instead they have let the Ecrater, Ebid and Bonanzle's of the world chip away market share while absolutely poisoning the Ebay-seller relationship to the point of no return.

I think history will view Whitman's last couple of year's and JD's disastrous reign as one of the absolute worst crapouts of a brand name in business history. However, I do have hope that they can turn it around once Donohue is gone and someone with sense takes over.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:44 pm 
 

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Pipswich wrote:I still think you guys don't understand many buyers perspectives.  As a seller, I don't like DSR's, I just don't hate them.  As a buyer, I love them.  Almost every major collector I know pretty much quit buying on ebay because they don't trust ebay, paypal and most of all the sellers.  There was way too much fraud and misrepresentation.  Sellers are not screwing around much anymore.  My last couple of legitimate problems were remedied by the sellers very appropriately.  If all sellers start taking care of the lifeblood of ebay... the buyers who spend the money... then buyers will come back.  Now ebay certainly needs to do something to prevent buyers from committing fraud and just stealing from sellers.  I have never seen much genuine effort to actually stop that problem on Ebay or amazon.




Pip, the problem is Ebay FORGOT the buyers don't pay the bills....the sellers do.  And this is the reason the last quarter was nightmare.  Buyer safety is and always has been a red herring, the proof is that it hasn't increased sales or buyers in the Ebay markteplace despite being the cornerstone of the "new" ebay.  Buyers ARENT coming back despite the policy changes, and on top of that thousands of sellers left. I'd call that a lose-lose for EBay.



Buyers pay NOTHING to ebay, in either ebay or paypal fees.  The sellers drive the bus, money wise. In their urge to change up the marketplace, Ebay went too far the other way (instead of finding a happy medium), alienated thousands of sellers who left ebay for other venues, and shot themselves in the foot to "bring back" buyers that had left...never tweaking to the fact that it is the SELLER'S job to appeal to buyers, not the middleman's (which ebay is, they are just a facilatator of sales).  If a seller does a bad job, a buyer is supposed to leave negative feedback, and soon the seller's pool of people who want to deal with him shrinks to the point where he can no longer do business without major changes.  



Instead, what Ebay did was assume EVERYONE was a crook, and painted all sellers with the same brush. My feedback was 99.9 percent...why should I face the same restrictions as a Cougar or Creep1962?  But that's just what the new policy did. Why should I have to accept only Paypal when I've never had a problem with checks or money orders?  But Ebay has forced me to do so.  



Pip, you say sellers are not screwing around anymore.  What sellers? Lately when listing, I can find virtually no one with the same materials up that I have. Many sellers of RPGs have left in droves...which leaves the buyer's less of a choice, and higher prices. For example I listed several Dungeon magazines today and noticed there was NO other listing of these issues on Ebay, where in the past, it would be hard to find ANY TSR type magazine not represented on EBay. Buyers are actually being hurt because of the lack of choice...I am finding more and more I'm NOT locating what I'm looking for on Ebay, and have to go to other venues (including Amazon).  Believe me, lack of choice is NOT a boon to buyers in the long run



I think your view is the same rather shortsighted view Ebay took and what has landed them in this mess. They probably honestly thought, through various studies, that this was an issue that they could quickly deal with and bring back thousands and thousands of buyers.  Has anyone noticed increased sales? Even anecdotal talk of more buyers or higher prices received?  I think we have all noticed the exact opposite.  And now it's there in black and white for everyone to see.  



The most damning evidence is the rise of Craigslist and Amazon.  Simply put Ebay should be beating the tar out of both venues.  I'd be very worried about this if I was Ebay....they have let other companies peel off tiny bits of marketshare and got nothing in return. The other major worry I see is that profits have reached goals ONLY through two methods the last year....raising of fees, and elimination of 10 percent of their workforce. Anyone who studies business can tell you these are both very shaky methods of making a profit...the danger being, you can only raise fees so many times/so much, and you can only eliminate so much of your workforce, before you cease to be non-competetive in the marketplace.  That they have not reached profit goals through sales is troubling. Also, anyone can tell you if it weren't for Paypal, Ebay would be finished already....Paypal is propping up Ebay and has been for the last year.



For a very short term and ineffective goal, buyer safety, Ebay has sacrificed a lot of profits and got very little in return. I'd say on the whole it's very much a failed policy, one that JD will pay for with his job.



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Pipswich wrote:I still think you guys don't understand many buyers perspectives.  As a seller, I don't like DSR's, I just don't hate them.  As a buyer, I love them.  Almost every major collector I know pretty much quit buying on ebay because they don't trust ebay, paypal and most of all the sellers.  There was way too much fraud and misrepresentation.  Sellers are not screwing around much anymore.  My last couple of legitimate problems were remedied by the sellers very appropriately.  If all sellers start taking care of the lifeblood of ebay... the buyers who spend the money... then buyers will come back.  Now ebay certainly needs to do something to prevent buyers from committing fraud and just stealing from sellers.  I have never seen much genuine effort to actually stop that problem on Ebay or amazon.




Funny, I spent a hell of a lot more money on Ebay buying, then I ever did make selling and yet with all the GREAT new changes, my buying has gone down to a few items a month, if that at all. I would find it hard to believe that I am in the minority.



The best part is that a lot of buyers don't even realize that Ebay has been porking them too.  See, with all these great new changes, they are also restricting lots of choices buyers used to have all under the facade of buyer protection.  These changes are restricting both the potential items that buyers might find due to burying sellers that meet up with their completely flawed standards as well as restricting the payment options that buyers have.  In most cases placing more and more restrictions on buyers or any customers for that matter is going to end up driving people away.  Think about all the ad campaigns out there where companies use "customer choices" as a selling point. Not Ebay though, their selling point is now "Less Choices". I guess all these other companies just don't know what hell they are doing.  :lol:



Beyond that, delving into another issue with them forcing Paypal, is that they have not apparently taken into consideration that due to some very high profile hacking cases and compromised banking information that have occurred over multiple of on-line sites in the last few years, lots of people recently are more reluctant than ever to provide that type information on-line.    This restriction, despite the fact that Ebay wants to sell to you as "being good for everyone, because it's more secure"(which is complete and utter bullshit anyway, its really only good for them and only marginally "safer", if safer at all),  is that they apparently haven't realized that by taking away those choices from buyers that they are driving even more people away, which in turn is cutting into those supposed increased fees they thought that they would be getting by forcing the change in the first place.  This, of course, is due to the fact that some folks can not or do not want to use Paypal as their payment form and thus must look elsewhere to buy things.



Also, Ebay apparently has underestimated the fact that a large portion of their small scale selling base were also a large portion of their buying base.  When you are driving away sellers you deem "unfit", you are also at them same time driving away those very same people as buyers.  Then to top it all off, they have raised fees continuously over the last couple of years across the board and have done little to nothing to come close to justifying the need for these fee increases, thus driving even more people away.  With that in mind, people aren't stupid, so where exactly are these increase fees going to then? They sure in hell aren't going to improved service or a better website.



Lastly, I will say again that Ebay is a multi-billion dollar corporation and they still do not have a real customer phone support service, not the "Thanks for calling Ebay.  Submit your request through the website. Thanks.".  It is beyond preposterous to have a company of that size and not have one.  What makes things even worse(if that's even possible) is the fact that Ebay is a retail type business.  Besides Ebay, try naming another retail based business that doesn't have at least some sort of real customer phone support?  If you want to save youself some time though, don't bother looking because you won't find one. These types of things aren't lost on anyone, both buyers and sellers. It's a complete farce.





BTW, you seem to have a lot of issues with buying, far more then I have ever had. :?  In my over 10 years on Ebay, I have had a grand total of 4 people, in a minimum of 2500 transactions, legitimately try to rip me off and that's it.


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:07 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:There is absolutely no way Amazon should be doing better than Ebay, being that listers on Amazon can ONLY sell what is in the Amazon data bank, while theoretically Ebay is open to anything.


I think you can sell anything on Amazon.  If the item is not in the catalog, then I believe that sellers can add the item to the catalog to sell it.  Once there, other sellers can sell the same item without having to add it.

The article is right though - the fixed price buying experience is much better on Amazon than on Ebay.  I am guessing this applies to both buyers and sellers.  For sellers, on Ebay each seller must add all their own items (no already existing catalog) - this must be easier on Amazon.  For buyers, the process of buying is easier because they have removed most of the buyer-seller communication.  However, rarely does a buyer get the whole picture of condition since the picture shown is only a stock picture.

I think what has really screwed Ebay is constant increases in fees and a constantly changing environment and rules.  In general people just don't like change (for better or worse) and having to constantly go through it and get upset about it usually runs people off because they perceive it not to be worth the trouble.

As a collector, I spend a lot more money buying than I make selling on Ebay (and probably in general).  I don't think I know any major collectors that have stopped buying on Ebay either.  Most major buyers and at this point buying rare items and don't limit their sources.

One of the things that has always bothered me about paypal is how much they promote using direct bank account transfers, etc. instead of VISA.  If you have a balance or a bank account attached to your paypal account these are automatically the default, to use VISA you then have to select it each time.  This is of course done for making more money - they charge the same amount for both but have no risk for bank transfers.

Also, as Brian points out, the customer service is absolutely terrible - no telephone support and response to emails usually takes a week or two to get anything other than a redirect to their help page.  I recently went through a complaint process where I won 21 auctions at around $1 each and the seller tried to charge a $100+ handling fee and then reduced it to $35 handling and thought I should be grateful.  In total this took about 10 emails to Ebay to resolve and about 1.5 months.  The end result was that the NPB strikes were removed from my account (I think) and the seller's feedback was removed.  I don't know if the seller had any repercussions or not.

I don't blame Ebay for trying to move into the fixed price auction field or trying to compete with Amazon here.  As a business, it is a natural field for them to expand into.  As a business, they also have to show stock holders that they are continually growing to constantly increase revenues.  But, overall, its their procedures and policy changes, increase fees and constant change of the whole environment that are pushing people away.  A good comparison is to look at how has buying on Amazon changed in the last 10 years?  It really hasn't.

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Post Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:34 pm 
 

The bottom line is that they are trying to fix the profit instead of the problems.

Another thing that bugs me though are some statements about "trying to win back customers."  What is THAT? :roll:   When a customer has a bad experience in a store, they rarely come back.  Any communication that includes that line or thinking is messed up.  Once people feel like or believe they've been ripped or cheated, the interest is over.  Next.

Please. :roll:


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