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Post Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:29 am 
 

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:33 am 
 

Hi,

when people buy stuff at GC Indy, do they "haggle"?

It happens sometimes in the UK, but not much.

It happens a LOT on mainland Europe.

But what about the USA / Gencon?

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:07 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:Hi,

when people buy stuff at GC Indy, do they "haggle"?

It happens sometimes in the UK, but not much.

It happens a LOT on mainland Europe.

But what about the USA / Gencon?

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I've only ever seen it done at the card dealers involving trades, but more so not in lowering the dealers price, but what combination of cards in trade would total that price.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:34 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:when people buy stuff at GC Indy, do they "haggle"?

You've got both consumer haggle and trade haggle.

Throughout the con you try to grab a little face time with other industry folks and line up post-con sales to distributors and others. To sweeten the pot you offer a case here, a case there, of inventory you brought to the con (and you give out samples like mad to tradesfolk). If you make enough flexible contacts you ship nothing home.

With consumers, you can tell by Friday whether you've got a sellout or whether you need to cut deals to move product. Various deals get posted by Saturday by the smart guys. Sunday there's lots of haggling and the smart collectors/buyers know it.

While some of this doesn't apply to your line, the principle holds. Better to move it than ship it home, generally. If Aaron (Noble Knight) is at the con he'll certainly be willing to talk serious biz about oop collectibles, and will almost certainly offer more than Jon (Troll & Toad) or Paul (Crazy E).

(Yeah, I've done time in the biz...)

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:07 pm 
 

lawrenson wrote:Hi,

when people buy stuff at GC Indy, do they "haggle"?

It happens sometimes in the UK, but not much.

It happens a LOT on mainland Europe.

But what about the USA / Gencon?

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Don't even try and haggle with Crazy Egor. I have tried three years and I always get a NO. I have had some success with other dealers though.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:14 pm 
 

burntwire brothers wrote:
Don't even try and haggle with Crazy Egor. I have tried three years and I always get a NO. I have had some success with other dealers though.

Crazy Egor is so big and probably makes their money back the first day, so they really have no reason to haggle....now, a smaller dealer, you might have some luck, especially on Sat or Sunday.  Last year I haggled a bit with the Pagan Publishing guy and got a decent price on some old Unspeakable Oaths, and he was willing to cut me an even better deal if I paid cash, but unfortunately I was out.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:46 pm 
 

burntwire brothers wrote:
Don't even try and haggle with Crazy Egor. I have tried three years and I always get a NO. I have had some success with other dealers though.


I agree, CE won't deal at all.  They do have a large selection though!  Same with some of the larger dealer that have actual stores and eBay accounts.

You can definitely haggle with the smaller dealers, especially those the buy-sell-trade items outside of their areas of specialty.  I bought about 10 full boxes of miscellaneous D&D and roleplaying items last year,  late Saturday for a good discount over the asking prices.  Also haggled for a large number of Dragon and Dungeon magazines in SW.

It never hurts to ask, especially if you are buying a bunch of items or can pay cash.

Looking forward to checking out the goods again!

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:58 pm 
 

Man, you guys talk like Paul is some sort of GenCon monster -- I don't know about you, but he's always been willing to "deal." You just have to do something crazy to earn it... and its always different. When I was at GC, we'd hear that weirdness echoing down the floor (course, we were only 3 spots away, too) but it was there.

Maybe I should go to his B&M store and snag up the goodies... ;) Yeah, I think I'll have to, and then y'all can "deal" with me.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:38 pm 
 

Hey! Just got home and got my character.  Thanks, Frank.  

Sorry I've been out of it.  Company's transferring me to Cleveland so I've been working up there and living out of a hotel.  No time or laptop to get on line and check e-mail or the posts.  Have to come home every weekend to mow and fix up the place to sell so I've been pretty busy.  Got to get the place listed so I can get some cash for the new house and anything I want to purchase at the Con. :lol:

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:53 pm 
 

Game Update/Addendum:

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Everybody else seems to be Confirmed.

Nobody has said anything about the timing, so the time slots are getting firmer by the day. If you have a problem, let me know asap.

More than one person has asked about the possibility of 'getting a friend into the game.' Sorry, but no. Signups are closed. If you drop out, your position cannot be filled by an alternate; we simply play with fewer. (And with the current roster at 16-17 players, we have plenty.)

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:52 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:So there's a lot of really good stuff up EVERY night.
But Friday night is where the Ultras appear, especially in the Finale.
I'm bringing one item for the Finale. I'll tell ya when the time is nearer.
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So, Frank, are we near enough yet?  Maybe a hint?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:03 pm 
 

And might there just possibly be more than one thing?  So one of us mere mortals could stand a small chance?   :D


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:59 pm 
 

Bracton wrote:And might there just possibly be more than one thing?  So one of us mere mortals could stand a small chance?   :D


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:20 am 
 

Another Chuck Rozanski (Mile High Comics) missive from the front....the San Diego Con.  Sounds like a train wreck!

I post these here because last year I saw what an incredible experience Gencon was upclose, first hand....and I hope it will avoid the problems that have overtaken the world's biggest comic book convention.  I don't think we have that sort of problem, and probably never will (they don't make mulit million dollar movies about D&D), but still....

2008 San Diego Convention Report #1!
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San Diego Convention Line on Thursday

Some idiot deliberately ran into my rental van this morning. I wish that I could be more condemning of his foolishness, but after 45 minutes of sitting in gridlocked traffic in front of the San Diego convention center, all of us were getting more than a little frustrated. My friend Jimmy, a comics dealer from Chicago, had the exact same thing happen, as the road right in front of the convention hall suddenly narrows from three lanes, to two. As a result, a slew of people try to bypass everyone on the right, and then suddenly realize that they have no lane remaining. Rather than waiting for an opening in the traffic flow, these folks would sometimes simply drive into the side of your car, regardless of whether any space exists between you and the car in front of you. Blessedly, my rental van was already dinged on that side when I checked it out, but it can still be very unnerving to realize the extent that people will go to get into Comic-Con.

I'm telling you about my driving difficulties because they are symptomatic of what is happening throughout the convention. Too many people, in too small of a space. Even worse, the level of greed and avariciousness among the attendees has reached unprecedented levels this year. What has prompted this incredibly rude and ill behavior is the practice of the large media companies who have invaded our convention to give away freebies. What started out as really cool exhibits of upcoming films has degenerated into an astoundingly dangerous free-for-all of masses of people fighting over the promotional items being given out by the media giants. I was unable to leave our booth last evening because of the very large number of fans who came to purchase books from us, but I heard several first hand horror stories of mass hysteria going on in the huge media booths to the south of our display. What was minor jostling for the free goodies in the past reportedly turned into actual pushing and shoving this year, with some people reporting to me that they actually left the media area because they felt completely intimidated by the pervasive crowding and aggression. Whoa nelly. What in the heck has happened to allow our wonderful comics convention to degenerate into this savage greed fest? Flat out, were they still under 16, I would never allow my children to attend the media end of the San Diego Comic-Con on a Wednesday evening. It is simply too dangerous. Never, ever, have I felt that way at any comics convention in the past.

In case you're wondering, I do not have an answer to this problem. Freebies have become a primary reason why people come to the convention (and pay so much for admission tickets...), so I don't think that there is any way that we could (or should) outlaw them. I do believe, however, that some sort of regulatory overlay has to be created to prevent freebies from dominating the convention. Simply put, I think that the current environment of throwing open the doors to 30,000+ fans at 6 PM on Wednesday evening and allowing them to all simultaneously surge toward the freebies is a prescription for disaster. If this unregulated stampede ultimately results in injury to someone, or worse yet to someone's child, this is a lawsuit that could cripple the convention. Wiser heads than mine really do need to think about this issue when planning for next year's convention.

In other convention news, I spoke with 30-40 dealers this morning about their Wednesday evening sales. So you know, the convention is open on Wednesday evening from 6 PM - 9 PM, only to 4-day ticket holders. This is a program that I helped to create because I saw it as a way to reward those who support the show, and to simultaneously provide dealers with a 5th revenue day to help cover our massive expenses of setting up at the convention. That having been said, Wednesday evening has become a really important bell weather of how the show is going to turn out. The initial reports were mostly pretty good, with dealers in the front of the hall saying that sales were either "good" or "great" last evening, and dealers further back in the room reporting "fair" to "good" sales. The only group that seemed to not do as well were the high end Golden Age and Silver Age dealers. The "big money" Golden Age buyers did not show up last evening, and there is a lot of pessimism as to whether they will come at all. Most guys who want to spend $2,000+ per comic book are not too keen on having to fight huge crowds, especially when the Golden Age offerings at San Diego have been diminishing steadily for the past five years.

Where this is all leading is that San Diego is about to lose its crown as the top comics show in America. With fewer than 100 real comics booths left in the entire show, this convention is now a primarily media event. After years of completely failing in any way to aid or encourage comics dealers to set up at the convention, critical mass has been lost. In the meantime, the Reed Exposition folks in New York have cleverly worked to wrest San Diego's crown away by hiring teams of very smart marketing folks who cold call every comics dealer in the country before their convention, seeking to sign up as many new dealers as possible, and thus make their New York convention the best comics showcase in the world. Well folks, the battle is over. The people on the San Diego committee have been so busy sucking up to Hollywood that they let their core group of comics dealer support wither and die. Is it any wonder that they took the comics characters off of the banners they traditionally place on the lampposts around Sand Diego, and instead have a new motto of "Celebrating the Popular Arts?" That reminds me of when Marvel Comics changed their name to "Marvel Entertainment" during the mid-1980's. Why? Supposedly because the president of Marvel at the time was too embarrassed to admit to his buddies in the publishing industry that he printed comic books for a living. What a crock. Either we are proud of being in the comics world, or we are not. San Diego definitely needs to rethink their entire marketing strategy, and their street banners especially. Simply put, the New York Comic-Con is now eating their lunch.

I could go on in far greater detail about my misgivings about this year's show, but I think that a balanced perspective is also important. While San Diego may have become second-rate as regards being comics show, it is still one heck of an experience. If you like toys, t-shirts, cards, and posters it simply cannot be beat for selection and diversity. This show is no longer for everyone, however, as the masses of humanity that seethe through (and around) the convention center can be quite overwhelming. Aside from all the hard work we that do in building and operating our booth, simply navigating the aisles long enough to reach the bathrooms and snack stands can be exhausting. In the end, we are so tired when we leave the halls each evening that we can barely drive. That makes the lengthy delays in exiting the parking structures (up to an hour...) particularly hard to bear. That having been said, the completely enveloping stimuli of this place are also totally addicting. I kee! p telling myself on an intellectual level that I should stop putting up with all this difficulty, and instead just stay home in Colorado during the month of July. Upon reflection, however, I keep coming back to the fact that I love this convention so much that I would miss it beyond all words if I did not come each year. After 36 consecutive years of exhibiting here, this convention has become ingrained into my spirit and soul. That is precisely what makes my criticizing what is presently occurring at the convention all the more painful. I really, genuinely, want the San Diego Comic-Con to be the premiere showcase for comics in the world. Sadly, however, the convention has lost its way, and no one (yet) seems willing to step up to help put it back on track. I remain cautiously optimistic, however, that a solution to the present difficulties can still be found. Stay tuned for further developments.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:51 am 
 

Just thought I'd let you folks know what TLG is planning on bringing:

Gary Gygax Castle Zagyg Upper Works (C&C) [Box Set; Limited Quantities]
StarSiege Event Horizon (Siege) [Box Set; Limited Quantities]
Towers of Adventure by James M. Ward (C&C) [Box Set; Limited Quantities]
Shades of Mist (C&C adventure)
Crusader 11 (Magazine)
A5 The Shattered Horn (C&C adventure)

These are planned, so if something is not there, something happened to prevent it from being released... probably because they didn't have enough time to get everything boxed up.

Steve mentioned "limited quantities" meant 100...


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:13 am 
 

serleran wrote:Just thought I'd let you folks know what TLG is planning on bringing:

Gary Gygax Castle Zagyg Upper Works (C&C) [Box Set; Limited Quantities]
StarSiege Event Horizon (Siege) [Box Set; Limited Quantities]
Towers of Adventure by James M. Ward (C&C) [Box Set; Limited Quantities]
Shades of Mist (C&C adventure)
Crusader 11 (Magazine)
A5 The Shattered Horn (C&C adventure)

These are planned, so if something is not there, something happened to prevent it from being released... probably because they didn't have enough time to get everything boxed up.

Steve mentioned "limited quantities" meant 100...


Wheeee....more stuff to buy.  :D


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:39 am 
 

BUMP.....so twelve days to go.  :D

Anyone else getting pre-con jitters?  I actually had a dream last night that I came home from the con empty handed.  Damn awful nightmare.  8O


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