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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:00 pm 
 

Check wikipedia for a standard academic discussion of trolls and trolling.  You will find that trolls and trolling are indeed harmful but that I don't qualify on several counts.  Unfortunately, the site does have some trolls and none of us are confused about your qualifications as a troll.



I don't qualify because:



1. I don't disguise my identity.

2. I don't jump to assumptions and run newbies of the site.

3. I don't create the appearance of actively participating by generating an extraordinary irrelevant post count.

4. I actively collect the material, play the game and participate in the community (albeit, less than some others)

5. I do not disseminate bad advice, I try to stop it's spread.





This site routinely has some people who disguise identity, jump to assumptions, admit that they don't collect (or even play much), and encourage people to lie on postal forms, defraud others, defraud ebay... and attack businesses and individuals without evidence.  We all know this, and we all know who the guilty parties are.



People who do those things are Trolls.  If you do not see your reflection in the standard definition of Troll Ashmire...  read the following and look in the proverbial mirror.  Because you sir, are a troll.  You attack others, accuse them of being a troll, and use the site for primarily personal amusement and attacks on those who are here to discuss and participate in matters of d&d collecting.







"         Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.



Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation.[9]



Ashmire, you must feel your skin regenerating every time you skin you knuckles beating on the keyboard.  Because, sir, you certainly fit at least one published academic definition of a troll.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:40 pm 
 

Pipswich wrote:Check wikipedia for a standard academic discussion of trolls and trolling.  You will find that trolls and trolling are indeed harmful but that I don't qualify on several counts.  Unfortunately, the site does have some trolls and none of us are confused about your qualifications as a troll. Really?? If anyone wishes to support this comment, please let me know and I will reconsider my points...
I don't qualify because:

1. I don't disguise my identity.
2. I don't jump to assumptions and run newbies of the site.
3. I don't create the appearance of actively participating by generating an extraordinary irrelevant post count. Don't you???
4. I actively collect the material, play the game and participate in the community (albeit, less than some others)
5. I do not disseminate bad advice, I try to stop it's spread.


This site routinely has some people who disguise identity, jump to assumptions, admit that they don't collect (or even play much), and encourage people to lie on postal forms, defraud others, defraud ebay... and attack businesses and individuals without evidence.  We all know this, and we all know who the guilty parties are.

People who do those things are Trolls.  If you do not see your reflection in the standard definition of Troll Ashmire...  read the following and look in the proverbial mirror.  Because you sir, are a troll.  You attack others see your comments below, accuse them of being a troll see your comments below and above, and use the site for primarily personal amusement and attacks on those who are here to discuss and participate in matters of d&d collecting. see your comments throughout the threads particularly in your comments towards mbassoc2003.



"         Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation.[9] oh well...

Ashmire, you must feel your skin regenerating every time you skin you knuckles beating on the keyboard.  Again, as I previously stated your snide comments show your true personality.
Because, sir, you certainly fit at least one published academic definition of a troll. yawn




Thanks for that. However, I have refrained from entering into discussions with you in the past as I hate feeding you more cake. You lost any scrap of respectability (in my eyes) when you sneaked back onto the boards after a short absence to change all your many posts to read how much you love cake.



I am reasonably sure that you enjoy doing the rounds on the boards to get someones back up and probably sit there jacking off over the imagined anger or frustration you think you are causing others.



Fill your boots, you won't have another answer from me here again.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:58 pm 
 

Firstly...

Volunteers ARE NOT VOLUNTEERS when they represent a company making a personal profit for someone else. IT IS NOT A CHARITY AUCTION. I am not stupid enough to believe the UK National Lottery is a charity lottery. Profiting personally or collectively from alleged charity work is the worst kind of moral wrong.

Secondly...

Whilst I have verbally sparred with Pipswitch on more than one occasion, he has been both literate and intelligent in putting down his views, and whilst he courts controversy (as I do at times), he has also been both an active participant and welcome contributor to the forum. I don't consider him to be 'trolling' the forum, nor is he out of place here. I wouldn't want to see him hounded out the way other collectors have been in the past, regardless of whether our views are in conflict.

Maybe after offering him so much cake, I feel like eating a little humble pie. Maybe altering prevoius posts was a little unwise, though.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:11 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Whilst I have verbally sparred with Pipswitch on more than one occasion, he has been both literate and intelligent in putting down his views, and whilst he courts controversy


wouldn't dispute that, the posts are literate and worded well (lengthy  :wink: ), just (to me) they are looking to spark a reaction continually.

There is no intention on my part to drive him from the forum, just to voice the issue that I have where there seems to be an underlying something that I can't quite put my finger on. I see that as trolling.

Perhaps thats the wrong word then and its a case of seeking verbal discourse and banter.

However, as stated last post, I have no intention of entering into discussions with the chap again.

And I stand by my point that he uses snide, veiled comments to try and belittle people.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:20 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:
wouldn't dispute that, the posts are literate and worded well (lengthy  :wink: ), just (to me) they are looking to spark a reaction continually.

There is no intention on my part to drive him from the forum, just to voice the issue that I have where there seems to be an underlying something that I can't quite put my finger on. I see that as trolling.

Perhaps thats the wrong word then and its a case of seeking verbal discourse and banter.

However, as stated last post, I have no intention of entering into discussions with the chap again.

And I stand by my point that he uses snide, veiled comments to try and belittle people.

That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, and certainly not at you. You've not been here long enough to know about the discussion and flaming that have driven others away from here.

As regards continually looking to spark a reaction, I am as guilty of that as anyone. It would be hypocritical of me to lambast someone for that. You're just a nicer guy than I am, Ash'.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:22 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:
As regards continually looking to spark a reaction, I am as guilty of that as anyone.


Really??? Had never noticed...   :lol:  :lol:  :wink:


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:23 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:Rather amusing, since I've been an expert in this field for more than 20 years.
Glad you're amused anyway, Frank. ;)

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:35 pm 
 

Mbassoc

Well, that is a bit of a surprise, but thank you.

I did not plan to come back when I left.

But, since I kept coming up in the forums, I did.  

And, I don't like seeing anyone else (or any business) treated miserably on the site.  It is unseemly and it harms the growth of our hobby.

And, Ashmire, actually I just reread your last few dozen posts and I should not have called you a troll.  It's not fair.

I have had some issues with you but you are clearly mainly here to collect and discuss d&d.  So, I apologize.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:07 pm 
 

awww, can't you feel the love....  :safe:

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:20 pm 
 

Looks like post 700 got you happy!


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:26 pm 
 

Pipswich wrote:Looks like post 700 got you happy!


:lol:   spot on!


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:04 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:I don't follow; 15% of $127,562 is under $20k.


My assumptions were stated along with numbers which were the partnership keeps 20%.  20% of $127K is over $20k.  Based on new information if you want more accurate numbers we can do that too:

Value of Items Sold        $127,562
Number of Items in the Auction        11,122
Number of Items Auctioned (non-Consignment Store)        4,971 (56.214%)
Number of Items Sold from the Consignment Store        3,872 (43.786%)

So from the 15% of the sold value is $19,134.30 and the listing fees are about $5807.24 + $2434.94 for a total of about $27376.48.

deduct:

ExTSR wrote:travel expenses for The Partnership


Nice that he charges the travel expenses to The Partnership rather than being there for his store.

ExTSR wrote:Volunteers are unpaid (by definition).


That makes the salary calculation easier.  Silly me I was paying 57 employees $160 each day.  Slash that down to $0.

ExTSR wrote:The actual staffing total is higher than 57.


Again, I was employing 57 people PER DAY who would work 16 hour shifts.  Any idea what the actual number are?  How many people work each day?

In any case, with the new number, $27376.48, over 4 days is $6844.12 each day.  If there were 40 volunteers per day, this still allows The Partnership to spend $171.10 per person per day.

ExTSR wrote:auctioneer supplies (including bid cards)


I`m going to guess that $1 charged for the bid cards are probably a large overkill on the actual cost of them.

ExTSR wrote:business supplies (paper, printer cartridges, merchantcard fees, etc)


Did someone mention that they actually charge extra fees to use your credit card to pay for auctions.

ExTSR wrote:...and convention services (George Fern & Co., the service that handles this convention and many others too; call it $50 per hour per FernMan plus table, drape, & chair rentals, electric, etc etc, plus squeeze)


I`d be very surprised if FernCo presented The Partnership a separate bill for the auction rather than just one to GenCon itself.  Does FernCo also present such a bill to people renting a table.

ExTSR wrote:GAMA had the same attitude, so I walked out on the Origins game auction. Within 2 years their gross dropped from $50,000+ to $500-


Im going to go out on a limb and say that there was more involved here.  If you are suggesting that an expert gets 100 times the sale price I think that is a pile of you know what.  Any difference between someone who is an expert and someone marginally competent would be negligible.

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:06 pm 
 

If there are any more accurate information such as: number of volunteers per day or number of bidding cards sold, etc I would be interested to know.

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Post Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:13 pm 
 

Since this thread is theoretically about T&T shipping charges (mostly for eBay it seems), I won't perpetuate this GenCon Auction sub-thread.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:41 am 
 

I purchased 7 items from them approx 6 months ago, and after the auctions had said that they would combine shipping - they didn't.

I sent 3 separate emails requesting combined postage, as the postage was WAAY over what it should have been, and received only one reply which was the original invoice.

Postage stated was US$57.33, and I paid this as I wanted the items sent.

As expected, when the items arrived (with no packing, and a box that was half-falling apart) the postage on the 'parcel' indicated a much lower figure -only US$25.15.

I emailed them again highlighting this, and eventually (after a few more emails) received a refund for the difference of US$32.18 when they realized their 'justification' of the amount being for packaging and handling didn't hold water.

I could have just told them not to bother originally, or i could have just eaten the extra shipping..... and would have never have used them again.

The lady who I liaised with at the end (Heather) was actually very good, and used some common-sense.

I've since used them twice more and haven't had a problem or any overcharging or gouging on the postage.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:17 am 
 

Pipswich wrote:Check wikipedia for a standard academic discussion of ....


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!

Could you have at least had the common decency to quote a literary source that is at least reliable.

Wikipedia notes on their website that:

"Allowing anyone to edit Wikipedia means that it is more easily vandalized or susceptible to unchecked information, which requires removal. While blatant vandalism is usually easily spotted and rapidly corrected, Wikipedia is more subject to subtle viewpoint promotion than a typical reference work."

I know that quoting Wikipedia as a means of saying not to quote it is a contradiction itself but I thought it would be worth it just this once. High schoolers can´t use Wikipedia and in college it´s unacceptable as 'valid' research. So please for the sake of the nice conversation between Forum members and for the future of this website let´s not quote Wikipedia ever again. Let´s try a little harder in our research.

Now if you have never gone to college or even finished high school then....

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:24 am 
 

I tried, Kosh.  

All I could find on Wikipedia for Troll and Toad was just these vague references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... 0&offset=0

I'll keep looking.  Maybe there's a stub article on shipping charges.... :D


(I love Wikipedia.  What amuses me is that other sources are somehow considered less biased than Wikipedia.  Obviously, people do not regularly read history textbooks these days.)


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:41 am 
 

I just want to pipe in real fast and give Frank some props. I've been to two Gen-Cons (both when it was still in Indy) and let me tell you, that auction does not run even half as well when he's not the man on the block doing the work.

Frank is THE MAN when it comes to getting items up quickly, describing them accurately, and running the auction well. If you think anybody who can auction livestock can auction D&D collectibles, well, I'll just say you are ignorant and leave it at that. Also, if you actually SAW Frank in action, there's no way you would think that.

Frank, kudos to a job well done my friend. You even had time to talk with me after the auction was over about a couple of my wins. Truly, you rock. :)

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