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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:10 am 
 

Early monochromes were done that way for cost reasons.

One point that few recall, however, was the maps.
We were having problems with folks illegally copying and sharing. (At one point there were probably more photocopies of OD&D than originals).
So the maps were done in a specific shade of blue that was problematic for the photocopiers of that time.
Electronics advanced. Photocopiers got better, so we dropped that technique.

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:11 am 
 

deimos3428 wrote:Regardless of the precise cost per-copy, it's going to be more expensive to over-produce copies and have them sit in a warehouse for years vs. producing a reasonable number of copies, selling out, and having to do another run.


I seem to recall a story about how when WotC bought TSR, they sent somebody to inventory their warehouse and found boxes of items from the 80s -- unsold and still valued on the books at their original cover prices.

However, that's a different time period than when S1 was first printed. ;)


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:14 am 
 

ExTSR wrote:One point that few recall, however, was the maps.
We were having problems with folks illegally copying and sharing. (At one point there were probably more photocopies of OD&D than originals).
So the maps were done in a specific shade of blue that was problematic for the photocopiers of that time.


I was wondering if that was non-photo/repro blue. :D


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:47 am 
 

brute wrote:Imagine seeing a Woodie in a used bookstore...


Now that would get a rise outa me immediately. 8O
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:56 am 
 

deimos3428 wrote:TSR would have played it conservatively, as the sales weren't known.  (For all they knew, the module might have flopped.)

A good point. It's easy for us to look at this from the standpoint of history: we've read all about it, we've done the research, we've collected the items, we're even lucky enough to have some ex-TSR people post here. Or, to use this particular module as an example, we know how popular and iconic S1 turned out to be.

But the TSR staff of circa 1978/1979 had no such knowledge. They might have suspected they had a hit on their hands with this whole D&D/AD&D thing, but they were also a company not that far removed from a basement. They were in no position to order 250,000 of anything as an initial print run. It's just a ludicrous figure; I'm surprised we're still talking about it, honestly.

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:27 pm 
 

g026r wrote:I seem to recall a story about how when WotC bought TSR, they sent somebody to inventory their warehouse and found boxes of items from the 80s -- unsold and still valued on the books at their original cover prices.


8O

Could you imagine stumbling upon *that* treasure trove??? :money:

And if that's the case, I'm shocked that the market wasn't suddenly flooded with all that inventory.  Unless of course WotC pulped the stuff..  PDT_Armataz_01_23

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:29 pm 
 

To add to the S1 debate.
1st print began circulation right around Sept-Nov/1978
2nd print right around Dec 1979 (since it's product list matches the 3rd print 'D' modules)

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:37 pm 
 

Wandering Monster wrote:
8O

Could you imagine stumbling upon *that* treasure trove??? :money:

And if that's the case, I'm shocked that the market wasn't suddenly flooded with all that inventory.  Unless of course WotC pulped the stuff..  PDT_Armataz_01_23

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No clue as to what happened to them.  Probably pulped, from the sounds of it -- though they were late 80s products, not early ones so probably not worth all that much.

Found the source as well, it was Ryan Dancey's account of his visit to TSR in 1997 to check on the state of the company.

I toured a warehouse packed from floor to 50 foot ceiling with products valued as though they would soon be sold to a distributor with production stamps stretching back to the late 1980s. I was 10 pages in to a thick green bar report of inventory, calculating the true value of the material in that warehouse when I realized that my last 100 entries had all been "$0"'s.


The entire piece is interesting and provides insight into the mid-90s state of TSR, for those who haven't seen it before: http://web.archive.org/web/200405300947 ... Buyout.asp


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:05 pm 
 

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g026r wrote:The entire piece is interesting and provides insight into the mid-90s state of TSR, for those who haven't seen it before: http://web.archive.org/web/200405300947 ... Buyout.asp


Thanks for the link, g026R!   :D

Fascinating reading, as you say...  But I can't help noting with more than a hint of irony that WotC/Hasbro doesn't seem to have learned from T$R's mistakes.  Having successfully brought D&D back from the brink of death and getting a whole new generation of players hooked on it, what are they doing?  Why, completely revising the rules from ground up, to the point where they're going to be incompatible with v3.5!  :scratch:

Most of the 3.5 players I know have said they're not going to bother with 4th Edition.  Having invested so much money into the ultra-expensive 3.5 books and supplements, they're not going to plonk down money to buy what they already have in one form, all over again -- especially not with the price of gas reaching ever-new heights of ridiculousness and our economy going into recession.

But that's only what I've observed, and I seem to have drifted off-topic just a wee bit...  :wink:

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:15 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:So the maps were done in a specific shade of blue that was problematic for the photocopiers of that time.

That's a great piece of lore there, Frank; thanks for taking a couple of minutes to share it during a difficult time.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a Pavlovian response to that shade of "D&D blue." It's just such a recognizable part of the early D&D/AD&D heritage. I'm convinced that one of the reasons for the early success of Goodman's DCC line was that they replicated, almost perfectly, the look and feel of the early TSR maps.

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:19 pm 
 

Wandering Monster wrote:Hi everyone,



Thanks for the link, g026R!   :D

Fascinating reading, as you say...  But I can't help noting with more than a hint of irony that WotC/Hasbro doesn't seem to have learned from T$R's mistakes.  Having successfully brought D&D back from the brink of death and getting a whole new generation of players hooked on it, what are they doing?  Why, completely revising the rules from ground up, to the point where they're going to be incompatible with v3.5!  :scratch:

Most of the 3.5 players I know have said they're not going to bother with 4th Edition.  Having invested so much money into the ultra-expensive 3.5 books and supplements, they're not going to plonk down money to buy what they already have in one form, all over again -- especially not with the price of gas reaching ever-new heights of ridiculousness and our economy going into recession.

But that's only what I've observed, and I seem to have drifted off-topic just a wee bit...  :wink:

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Speaking of 3.5 vs 4.0.  Paizo publishing announced that it will still support 3.5 in 2008, other publishers may follow suit.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:38 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:Speaking of 3.5 vs 4.0.  Paizo publishing announced that it will still support 3.5 in 2008, other publishers may follow suit.


I think they [WotC] may have shot themselves in the foot with that "pay us $5000 for 2 non-reproducible copies of the SRDs or wait until August like everybody else" deal.


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