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Post Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:27 am 
 

8O  8O  8O

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5778 ... s-tv-host/

Camels are of course a feral animal in Australia dear host, they are destroying native animals' habitats, yes killing other cute furry Australian animals. How about we send you 100 camels and you look after them and drink their wasted milk  :lol:

  

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:04 am 
 

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:47 pm 
 

HermitFromPluto wrote:8O  8O  8O

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5778 ... s-tv-host/

Camels are of course a feral animal in Australia dear host, they are destroying native animals' habitats, yes killing other cute furry Australian animals. How about we send you 100 camels and you look after them and drink their wasted milk  :lol:


This would be a nice example of the relative intelligence and education level of journalists compared to other professions.   :D

While everyone else was getting educated our journalism majors spent most of their time thinking up sarcastic things to say in the college newspaper.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:36 am 
 

This is something I've noticed each time I've been to the US. In the UK a newscaster would be sacked for that. In fact, if an editorial staff were involved, the entire editorial staff would be sacked.

I have noticed that television 'news' is very biased and bigotted in America. On practically every channel you watch, it is either very heavily politically motivated newscasting, selective in what 'facts' are presented and which ones are 'conveniently left out', or downright racist against one cast or other.

The general populus in the US has no choice but to buy in to one view or other, and is never given the opportunity to exercise judgement or develope their own set of values with which to judge things fairly or dispassionately. Until you've lived away from the US for any length of time, you have no real way of understanding how distorted the world view presented to you really is.

I realise that most of the people on the board are better educated than most, buy virtue of their selected hobby, but the masses are not. The vast majority are drip fed this sort of crap all the way theough school and all the way through their lives. Something like 90% of Americans never even leave the States and live their entire lives believing this shit.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:32 am 
 

I guess we can equate that to 'Sun' and 'Daily Mail' readers who believe all the utter shite written in those 'news'papers and then spout the same crap that the papers do...  :roll:


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:05 am 
 

Media outlets of any kind are ultimately responsible only to their owners and shareholders.
This means that they have to carefully cultivate their main source of income which is the advertisers.
Add to that stew an unhealthy dose of large multinational corporations buying up independent media outlets (newspapers, radio stations, etc.).
This places hundreds of radio stations (and the source of info to the general public) into the hands of just a few companies.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:14 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:This is something I've noticed each time I've been to the US. In the UK a newscaster would be sacked for that.


A lot of men in the US would like to sack that reporter. :wink:


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:43 am 
 

I think I saw this guy at Gen Con last year:

http://www.madison.com/tct/top5/460817

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:53 am 
 

Geez!

Although reading some of the comments afterwards on the subject, seems some of the commentators have some issues as well...
If this was back in the '80's though, there would clearly be a link with (A)D&D...  :roll:

For the modern day, maybe the guy played GTAIV a couple of hours before the incident and that led to the attack ultimately....  :roll:


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:11 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:I think I saw this guy at Gen Con last year:

http://www.madison.com/tct/top5/460817

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Yeah, not much of stretch...


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:02 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:I think I saw this guy at Gen Con last year:

http://www.madison.com/tct/top5/460817

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It is good to know he will be released unless they can absolutely prove he is still a psycho. Sheesh.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:16 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:Media outlets of any kind are ultimately responsible only to their owners and shareholders.
This means that they have to carefully cultivate their main source of income which is the advertisers.
Add to that stew an unhealthy dose of large multinational corporations buying up independent media outlets (newspapers, radio stations, etc.).
This places hundreds of radio stations (and the source of info to the general public) into the hands of just a few companies.


Everyone has a "spin" on things.

We get the nightly BBC feed here in the states on public television. I watch it occasionally and often detect what I appear to be a bias.  It's more subtle, but it's there. Some of the most respected newscasters of all time were and are "biased" to a certain view.  It doesn't make them bad, it makes them human.

That coupled with the fact as Jason says you have multi-billionaires behind some of the world's most respected media and news outlets (Rupert Murdoch, George Soros) and almost every media outlet becomes a mouthpiece for the powers supporting it.

In America free speech is part and parcel of the entire enchilada.  You're allowed to say what you want as long as it isn't outright hate speech or yelling fire in a crowded theater. Growing up here, if you are intelligent you get used to sifting through the extremes of right and left to arrive at the middle.  No point in worrying about what the vast majority of people believe because the vast majority of people ANYWHERE in the world leave the heavy thinking to others and just go about their lives fairly clueless.

Also remember not to equate "They don't believe what I believe" with "They are stupid".  It doesn't always work like that.....!

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:18 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
It is good to know he will be released unless they can absolutely prove he is still a psycho. Sheesh.


My favorite is when they get released because while on their meds they are perfectly normal.  What happens then?  They promptly go off their meds and again become a raging lunatic, and the circle of life continues..... :roll:

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:46 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:Also remember not to equate "They don't believe what I believe" with "They are stupid".  It doesn't always work like that.....!


Thats true enough. There are plenty of figures back in history who were very intelligent, but they most certainly didn't believe what I believe.

Unless that means I'm the stupid one.... :?


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:41 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:This is something I've noticed each time I've been to the US. In the UK a newscaster would be sacked for that. In fact, if an editorial staff were involved, the entire editorial staff would be sacked.

I have noticed that television 'news' is very biased and bigotted in America. On practically every channel you watch, it is either very heavily politically motivated newscasting, selective in what 'facts' are presented and which ones are 'conveniently left out', or downright racist against one cast or other.

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I realise that most of the people on the board are better educated than most, buy virtue of their selected hobby, but the masses are not. The vast majority are drip fed this sort of crap all the way theough school and all the way through their lives. Something like 90% of Americans never even leave the States and live their entire lives believing this shit.


As I understand it, major newspapers in Great Britain do not pretend political neutrality, so their viewpoint is easier to point out.

Here in the US, outlets like CNN, MSNBC and the newspapers generally pretend to be unbiased.  Sad part is, they might even believe they are.

Far more alarming to me than media bias is the number of otherwise intelligent people who are unable to sort it out.  The key to understanding what is real and what is bias is not listening to the right source but in applying the filters of actual knowledge, common sense and critical thinking.

So, when an American news reader talks about the Australian head of state commiting "genocide" against feral camels...and seriously thinks that it is possible to round them up and harvest them for meat...you have to know that the intelligence quotient among our journalists is low indeed and having perky breasts counts for a lot more than it should.  It also tells you what a low opinion they have of the American viewer.

The fact that ugly, slightly smarter people behind the camera did not kill her camel genocide story is a lot more telling than the pretty girl camel story itself.  It was a measure of their disrespect for their viewers...us.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:54 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:We get the nightly BBC feed here in the states on public television. I watch it occasionally and often detect what I appear to be a bias.  It's more subtle, but it's there.


What I get from watching the BBC report about American politics is not so much bias as subtle misunderstandings of American politics.  There are shades of meaning they just don't seem to get.

(One example from the last election would be limited perception of the differences between various religious groups in America.  Mitt Romney, for instance, is a Mormon.  BBC commentators did not seem to understand that that meant American Evangelicals would specifically not vote for him despite other political affinities.)

I like to watch the BBC for its British spin on world events.  American meda tends to report events in other countries through a not-so-subtle lens which projects American politics onto foreign countries with extremely different cultures.  Aside from being overtly anti-Israel (from an American point of view), the BBC seems to see the world more clearly.

I have noticed that the BBC also tends to report weather events and disasters as....weather events and disasters.  The typical American approach is to report disasters as political events which American officials are somehow responsible for preventing or instantly solving.  Whether or not the politician in question "bungled the disaster" tends to be based on their political party.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:56 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Far more alarming to me than media bias is the number of otherwise intelligent people who are unable to sort it out.  The key to understanding what is real and what is bias is not listening to the right source but in applying the filters of actual knowledge, common sense and critical thinking.

Amen.  It's your fault for not teaching our youth to do these things.    :D

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:23 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:

I like to watch the BBC for its British spin on world events.  American meda tends to report events in other countries through a not-so-subtle lens which projects American politics onto foreign countries with extremely different cultures.  Aside from being overtly anti-Israel (from an American point of view), the BBC seems to see the world more clearly.


Interestingly, that is exactly the bias I specifically noted on several occasions.  Heck, I think they are overtly anti-Israel from ANY point of view, not just Americans.

The other thing I noticed is like you said a tendency to see things through the lenses of their own political process (not surprising, as you said the US news does it also). I seemed to notice a lot of "Capitalism is the root of all evil" type stories but that may just be part and parcel of the times we are going through right now. Looking at events in the US with the bank crises most capitalist pigs DO seem to be the root of the problems!  :D

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