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Poll: What kind of artwork would you have Erol Otus Commission for the Acaeum?

I have no interest in any Erol Otus artwork.	9%	[ 11 ]
I prefer a color, 11x17 print.	15%	[ 18 ]
I prefer a black & white 11x17 print.	5%	[ 6 ]
I prefter a color, 17x24 print.	59%	[ 69 ]
I prefer a black & white 17x24 print.	6%	[ 7 ]
I prefer something else larger.	5%	[ 6 ]

Total votes : 117

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Kingofpain89
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:02 pm

Gus Landt wrote:It is an elitist endeavor

Funniest thing I have read all day. :lol:

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:12 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote:
Funniest thing I have read all day.

How so?

Not that there is anything wrong with being elite... it is however appropriate use of the word.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:25 pm

Gus Landt wrote:Was it? It isn't when "Community" is being defined as "50 people who didn't happen to have too busy of a few days to check the boards"

This most definitely is NOT a community endeavor. It is an elitist endeavor for a lucky handful. That is all well & good, but don't call it what it isn't.

While I would agree that it's not as community as I would like it(there are people on the list of 50 and the waiting list that have no business being there since they aren't really part of the community at all, but that's a totally different issue altogether), but what in the world makes this "elitist"?

Also, just because you didn't get in on the first 50 doesn't mean you have to be bitter about it and do your best to try ruin it for everyone who did.

Again, IT'S A FUCKING $50 ART PRINT.

My God, some people around here need to lighten up. Honestly, you'll live.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Neitzche

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:27 pm

bclarkie wrote:My God, some people around here need to lighten up. Honestly, you'll live.

I dunno... I don't feel so good... maybe... I caught the swine flu from this debate...

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:34 pm

TheMilford wrote:
How so?

Not that there is anything wrong with being elite... it is however appropriate use of the word.

So you are OK with labeling everyone that posted "Hey I want one!" up to number 50 as an elitist? Look up the definition of elitist/elitism and explain to me how that applies here? I dont feel like I am entitled to one of the prints. I dont feel like I am any better than the people that are on the outside looking in. And I dont think I am getting preferential treatment. If anything I feel exactly the opposite. But I dont have control over anything in the decision making process.

If you want to label the committee "elitist" then go right ahead. I dont think it is accurate though. They are just trying to do something that would benefit the whole group and it spiralled into this godforsaken mess.

If it was up to me I would scratch the whole damn project and tell everyone to go buy their own print if they want one so damn badly. But I have a legendary intolerance for impatience, selfishness, and all-around idiocy. So I guess it is a good thing I have nothing to do with the committee.

You don't like your job, you don't strike. You go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way. - Homer Simpson

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:35 pm

TheMilford wrote:
How so?

Not that there is anything wrong with being elite... it is however appropriate use of the word.

If anything this project isn't elitist at all.

It makes me even more glad that I am actually not a part of this whole deal at all now.

When I see tool bags like freaking Pipswich on the list of 50 of people "in" on this thing at the expense of other members who would 1000 times more a part of this "community" if 1000 times 0 still wasn't zero, it irritates the piss out of me. To me, this thing isn't "elitist" enough.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Neitzche

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:39 pm

I am elite.

Damn. That was quicker than I hoped.

*throws a celebration*

There are better things to bicker about, like whether it is OK to sell photocopies of CDs.

Those who can, don't. Those who should not, do.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:40 pm

bclarkie wrote:this thing isn't "elitist" enough.

fair enough.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:51 pm

TheMilford wrote:
fair enough.

[rant]

Don't take me wrong, I understand some people are upset that they are not in line at this point to get it, but continually complaining about it isn't helping either though. It is what it is.

And I am not trying to be exclusionary, but there are some people on the list of 50 and the waiting list that really have no business being there at all. I mean seriously, if you* have trolled this forum multiple times in the past, no matter how many times you* apologize, there is just no way you* should be on the list or even "waiting" for that matter. If you* are lying sack of shit like a certain poster that I have already mentioned, you* have no business being on the list. If you* have less than 10 posts or just joined this forum to say, "Hey, I want in", you* have no business being on the list either.

I'd rather see people who are actually part of this community being on the list. Again that doesn't necessarily equate to hundred or even thousands of posts or being a member since the year 200x, but to me it those who have actually bothered to freaking participate in the community at least a little bit before being considered. Even if you* tell a dumb joke every 3 months and leave not returning ofr another 3 months to tell another dumb joke, is better than nothing at all.

I don't know, like I said, seeing this devolve into such a shitstorm over what really was only done as a fun endeavor is frustrating to watch when it quite clearly was never intended to turn out this way, even though I have no real vested interest in it as a whole other than watching people who I know and like on this forum bicker endlessly over it.

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* To Note: these you's in my post are not referring to YOU TheMilford specifically, they are referring to others, just in case that wasn't clear in my post.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:31 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote: They are just trying to do something that would benefit the whole group and it spiralled into this godforsaken mess.

No, they are not. If that were the case the deserving members on the wait list would have been added to the main list... it's that simple.

I approved of the word elite because they (the small group made up of the Committee and the people that signed on early enabling this to come to fruition) are holding all the cards more or less... As the naysayers have said "it is out of our hands, drop it, The committee has made the decision"; this is the EXACT definition of an elite group. It's not necessarily a bad thing... but it was accurate and was used to contrast the term "community".

Now I know my diatribe has lead some to believe that I'm seething and fuming mad... but I am not... I'm only mildly disappointed. I guess I've just taken this on to try to express that I believe the project was handled unfairly from a "community" standpoint. But I also fight from a selfish standpoint in that I would have liked to get one of these for what it was... but since it has nothing to do with community I will take Brian's lead and let the cards fall where they may. If 15 or so people drop out I guess then I will get one... But it will never represent the Acaeum as a community effort. As it is not.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:32 pm

bclarkie wrote:...just in case that wasn't clear in my post.

Clear to me. Good points all around.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:00 pm

TheMilford wrote:No, they are not. If that were the case the deserving members on the wait list would have been added to the main list... it's that simple.

"Deserving"....curious you keep using that word. Sounds like something an elitist would use.

And I am not the only person here that thinks you are simply "mildly disappointed". Someone who is only mildly disappointed doesnt use a sentence like "But I know EO is most special to me... I would really like to see the right thing done here." If you were only "mildly dissapointed" as you put it, you would have stopped posting about it already.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:03 pm

Cool. Probably the first time I've been in elite company. Oh, wait. There was that time back in the '80s when my buddies and I set a Wisconsin state record in the 4x100m relay. That was pretty awesome too.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:13 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote:
"Deserving"....curious you keep using that word. Sounds like something an elitist would use.

And I am not the only person here that thinks you are simply "mildly disappointed". Someone who is only mildly disappointed doesnt use a sentence like "But I know EO is most special to me... I would really like to see the right thing done here." If you were only "mildly dissapointed" as you put it, you would have stopped posting about it already.

Honestly I enjoy the debate... and you have missed some my more important point(s). EO is special to me. That's why I'm here on these threads in the first place and why I'm getting something of his tattooed on my person in July for my birthday... Through debate it is possible to turn stones and sway opinion... I'm hoping to do that, if not no skin off my back.... the process of debate is enlightening and exciting. I don't get angry when I debate... I get animated and excited. It's healthy... it's what make this country work... and this forum I guess.

It would be nice if the people that would really like to have this piece, all 68 of them (possibly all deserving) got to enjoy this piece of art in the name of community... That is hardly elite.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:31 pm

bclarkie wrote: Don't take me wrong, I understand some people are upset that they are not in line at this point to get it, but continually complaining about it isn't helping either though. It is what it is.

I think this exemplifies part of the problem pretty well. A "suck it up" response rather than a genuine attempt to offer up a solution is the kind of flippant attitude that erodes the "community". Regardless of who is on or not on the list -- that there is such an obvious concern for fair play* should not be marginalized or belittled as whining. A community cares for ALL of its members. Where are the solutions that go beyond "too bad?"

I hate to bring up the "L" word again but it sure does seem to me that a lottery is still the way to go. But do it right. Continue to build a list of folks interested and prepared to pay. Finish the negotiations with Otus and outline the specifics of the printing and mailing. SHOW THE COMMUNITY THE ORIGINAL ART -- only thenâ€¦.after a set number of days and a firm and well announced deadline - pick the lucky 50. **

Maybe everybody doesn't win in this scenario -- but the community does. I know a lottery has been mentioned before, but I don't think I have read a response from the committee (or anyone actually) as to why it is a bad idea.(?)

*Not only in the manner the original list got started and filled, but also with regard to what qualifies a forum member as a "true" contributor of the community.

** Probably a whole other can of worms but there might even be a way to increase the number of times one's name is represented in the lottery based on rank -- thus favoring the more active members without excluding the newer â€¦or simply quieterâ€¦ones. See, can-o-worms.

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:50 pm

cheesepaws wrote:I think this exemplifies part of the problem pretty well. A "suck it up" response rather than a genuine attempt to offer up a solution is the kind of flippant attitude that erodes the "community".

Aren't you the same guy who was chiming in months ago that this wasn't even possible to be done at the price people were proposing?

The thing that is eroding the community most at this point is this continual pot shotting at the people NOT PROFITING from this endeavor.

cheesepaws wrote: Regardless of who is on or not on the list -- that there is such an obvious concern for fair play* should not be marginalized or belittled as whining. A community cares for ALL of its members. Where are the solutions that go beyond "too bad?"

You're right, because first come first served is not a fair way to it at all. :roll:

cheesepaws wrote:I hate to bring up the "L" word again but it sure does seem to me that a lottery is still the way to go. But do it right. Continue to build a list of folks interested and prepared to pay.

Of course you do, you don't have to do any of the work on the project, nor have to deal with having a lottery.

You also fail to realize that if there is a "lottery", there are certainly going to be calls of it being "unfair" and "rigged" by some people left off the list if the continual bitching about the way that it is currently being done right now is any indication.

cheesepaws wrote:Finish the negotiations with Otus and outline the specifics of the printing and mailing. SHOW THE COMMUNITY THE ORIGINAL ART -- only thenâ€¦.after a set number of days and a firm and well announced deadline - pick the lucky 50.

Are you planning on fronting the $2500+ in order to make this possible and also are you willing to take on the risk that there are even 50 people going to be around at then end of it and if not be willing to eat the difference if it's not?

cheesepaws wrote:** Maybe everybody doesn't win in this scenario -- but the community does. I know a lottery has been mentioned before, but I don't think I have read a response from the committee (or anyone actually) as to why it is a bad idea.(?)

How about it's their time and their effort and they will do it the way the best see fit? When you run your own project like this, you can do it the way you see best fit.

How about that?

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:15 pm

gyg wrote:In case it comes down to the first 20 - I call dibs now

I was in at page one - Cool, I've never been Elite before (The best I got to was Deadly (or was it Dangerous) IIRC - thanks for the fond memories of the computer games of my youth

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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:35 pm

Um...who is cheesepaws?

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