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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:15 am 
 

gvaughn1 wrote:The whole idea of these three players colluding to form a "super team" just rubs me the wrong way.  But I don't believe they will be as successful as they think.  Too many egos.  Not enough backing talent.  Basketball requires a lot of teamwork and flow to the game.  These guys may or may not form a true team.  But we'll see.


I hope it gets ugly and we the fans have a ringside seat. I really didn't care who he went to (I'm a Mavs fan and there was zero chance LeBlow was coming here) but the entire prime time hour long spectacle just shows you what a POS James is and put me firmly in the "anyone but the Heat" camp.  For a guy that has won NOTHING except a high school title, he's got a remarkably high opinion of himself. Along with the Yankees the Heat have entered my radar as "Team That Thinks Their Shit Doesn't Stink" and I'll be rooting for whoever plays against them.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:33 am 
 

gvaughn1 wrote:The whole idea of these three players colluding to form a "super team" just rubs me the wrong way.  But I don't believe they will be as successful as they think.  Too many egos.  Not enough backing talent.  Basketball requires a lot of teamwork and flow to the game.  These guys may or may not form a true team.  But we'll see.


I disagree.

A super team of players was put together that consisted of Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Stockton, and Malone. It was called the 1992 Dream Team. Needless to say they won...

I think Mr. James has less of an ego because he was willing to take less money, because of his desire to win an NBA championship.

However, I understand the issue of loyalty, and also feel that he could have been just as happy to stay in Cleveland.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:38 am 
 

No one is happy to stay in Cleveland. No one.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:57 am 
 

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I disagree.

A super team of players was put together that consisted of Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Stockton, and Malone. It was called the 1992 Dream Team. Needless to say they won...

I think Mr. James has less of an ego because he was willing to take less money, because of his desire to win an NBA championship.

However, I understand the issue of loyalty, and also feel that he could have been just as happy to stay in Cleveland.


I don't want to start a big debate about it, but I think you're talking apples and oranges.  Comparing a U.S. Olympic team 20 years ago (when international competition wasn't nearly as good as it is now) to this NBA situation is not the same thing.  We just had so much more raw talent than the international teams back then.  Now it's much more even.

To me LeBron James is incredibly egotistical.  A 60-minute special on his FREE AGENCY decision?  Did you hear some of his quotes?  Talking about how much HE did for Cleveland.  And he refers to himself in the 3rd person!  As in "Ultimately, I need to do what's best for LeBron James."  Why can't he say "do what's best for me?"

Finally, with the state tax benefit of living in Florida, he is supposedly going to keep more money in Miami than he would in Cleveland.  So he may not be all about just winning.

I'm just giving my 2 cents, not saying you're wrong.  I guess I'm one of these old school sports fans.  All the hooplah bugs me.  Again - just me.   :)

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:57 am 
 

serleran wrote:No one is happy to stay in Cleveland. No one.


Better watch it.  I live only about 30 minutes from Cleveland.

All I can say is it beats the heck out of Detroit.....but then I think just about anything does. :puker:


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:01 pm 
 

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Better watch it.  I live only about 30 minutes from Cleveland.

All I can say is it beats the heck out of Detroit.....but then I think just about anything does. :puker:


I live in Sacramento, which I like.  But about 40 minutes away is the Armpit of the state: STOCKTON.  The foreclosure capital of the country.  Although I'm sure Detroit has it beat for sheer urban blight..

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:03 pm 
 

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I live only about 30 minutes from Cleveland.:


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:19 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:52 pm 
 

Invincible Overlord wrote:I disagree.

A super team of players was put together that consisted of Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Stockton, and Malone. It was called the 1992 Dream Team. Needless to say they won...

I think Mr. James has less of an ego because he was willing to take less money, because of his desire to win an NBA championship.


The 1992 U.S. Olympic basketball team played only a handful of games.  An NBA season runs 82 games not including the playoffs.  Big difference there.  And James has a gigantic ego.  Anyone that watches a number of his interviews should see that.  The guy talks about himself in the third person for crying out loud.  Playing for your country versus playing for a pro team also plays a factor in suppressing a huge ego.  Unless of course you play for the French National Football team.  :wink:

And as for taking less money....well see how that works out.  Savvy owners know how to move money around so they can stay under the salary cap and still pay their players their exhorbitant salaries.  It really doesnt matter though as he is going to make even more money in marketing and licensing deals being in Miami.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:57 pm 
 

There really has never been something like this happen in sports, where three superstars basically manuevered themselves onto the same team at such a young age for the purpose of winning it all. I have to say there is something really smugly cynical and annoying about it.  If LeBlow wins a title now, shouldn't it hurt his legacy? After all, name me another star that basically negotiated their way to a "Dream Team".  Kobe didn't ask to go to the Spurs when Shaq left.  MJ didn't try to go to the Pistons when they were beating up on the Bulls. Duncan didn't try to fix himself up with Shaq and Kobe in LA, nor did Magic and Bird try to finagle some sort of superteam in the 80s. No, a true star elevates himself with the addition of a few well placed sidekicks, and that way reaps all the praise and accolades himself. If the Heat win a title now, who do they thank? Their agents?

It reeks of laziness, ego and asshattery of the highest order. Actually, it works out good in a way, basketball hasn't had a good team to hate since the Detroit Bad Boys of the last century (and even then you couldn't really hate them, except for Isiah).  I'll be wishing for ego battles, season ending injuries, and after-game blow ups all season out of the trio of jerkwads playing for the Heat.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:09 pm 
 

Life long Heat fan here from Miami, I can understand the issues that you guys have with all of this stuff going down...as a fan, I will be curious how these three will play together, and who the Heat will be able to get to complement this trio.

Don't buy the BS about being less money though, Florida has no state sales tax which is more money for these guys, plus the advertising etc., I don't think they will be hurting financially anytime soon.

I think the thing that stinks for me is the way that he did it, with the primetime espn crap..which speaks for his ego. As a free agent, he was free to sign with whatever team he wanted, he should have done it like Wade and the others.

But myself along with most heat fans are happy to be able to hopefully contend for some championships. Although, I disagree with what some people are saying out there.... just because you have all these three superstars it doesn't mean you have an automatic title.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:12 pm 
 

Didn't Florida buy a World Series win, too? I mean, they had to win something, what with sucking at football for so long.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:23 pm 
 

serleran wrote:Didn't Florida buy a World Series win, too? I mean, they had to win something, what with sucking at football for so long.


its funny when the red sox or yankees do the same thing...its not a problem...

  

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:32 pm 
 

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its funny when the red sox or yankees do the same thing...its not a problem...


Yeah....actually it is.  Same with the Cubs....oh wait.  Nevermind.  :(

Just noticed that the Texas Rangers just traded for Cliff Lee.  Maybe they can keep on overachieving for the rest of the season and pull off some kind of halfway decent playoff run.  :roll:


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:42 pm 
 

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its funny when the red sox or yankees do the same thing...its not a problem...


Fuck no, I wish misery on both of those teams. If neither never won anything I'd be a happy man.  Only thing worse than the Yankees or Bosox themselves are Yankees and Bosox fans (or rather, bandwagon fans).

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:47 pm 
 

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Yeah....actually it is.  Same with the Cubs....oh wait.  Nevermind.  :(

Just noticed that the Texas Rangers just traded for Cliff Lee.  Maybe they can keep on overachieving for the rest of the season and pull off some kind of halfway decent playoff run.  :roll:


This trade out of nowhere did position themselves to at least contend for the AL championship. It's something when you have to say this is the best EVER trade the Rangers have made in their 40 year history.  Then again, this might be the best ever team in their 40 year history. All this in the shadow of Tom Hicks bankrupting the team and basically handcuffing them in regards to being able to spend any money the rest of the season (the trade was basically for prospects with no money involved).  Seriously, this is really setting up to be the cinderella team of the decade.  You gonna root for the Yankees and A-Fraud to win their 254th championship over the Rangers? Anyone who does has no soul.  I have hope, with the Saints winning it all last year, the Rangers might actually go somewhere....they are basically the New Orleans Saints of Baseball....

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:52 pm 
 

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Fuck no, I wish misery on both of those teams. If neither never won anything I'd be a happy man.  Only thing worse than the Yankees or Bosox themselves are Yankees and Bosox fans (or rather, bandwagon fans).

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I know what you mean.  I dont particularly like the Minnesota Twins but they have managed to win a few World Series in a small market city with a couple of great players and a bunch of scabs no one ever heard of.

It's interesting to watch a team of homegrown, underpaid players do well and beat the teams full of overpriced free agents and superstars.

Badmike wrote:It's something when you have to say this is the best EVER trade the Rangers have made in their 40 year history.


If they can just keep Rich Harden healthy he has the potential to beat any team in the major leagues.  When he came over to the Cubs from the A's a couple of years ago he was almost unhittable.  He is injured quite often though and has seen his velocity drop on his pitches since last year.  With Cliff Lee in the rotation they are going to be very difficult to beat.  Especially with the offense they have.  Hamilton is nearly back to his top form and you have all the other guys like Young, Guerrero, and Kinsler.  They are going to be tough down the stretch.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:36 pm 
 

carrejo wrote:
its funny when the red sox or yankees do the same thing...its not a problem...


If I knew who you were talking about, I might laugh.


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