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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:46 pm 
 

The success of this project may spur others to publish some of the great material they have created over the years.  I'd love to see BadMike's version of Undermountain or Grodog's Greyhawk scenarios.  
What's the legal ramifications of publishing 1st Edition AD&D material?  Is WotC okay with it as long as it's not a large scale endeavor?

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:01 pm 
 

Greyhawk is not included within the OGL rules. You cannot publish materials using that setting or name. I don't know about Undermountain.

Now I'd say it is possible if you develop an adventure in Greyhawk or Undermountain and gave it away for free, or at a nominal printing cost, that would be covered by fan fiction legislation. But you'd be looking at a challenge before you could be sure.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:03 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:
I did not want to come off in that way. My impression of DF in general is that it is a PDF community. I was not expecting much "action" and in fact there has been little comment at all.
I find that a bit weird considering they have an entire forum dedicated to classic D&D.


I just say that because there is a lot of talk there about supporting old school gaming...but I don't see it backed up much. There are some very active and ferverent DF posters, and some support the OSR movement, but you just as often see posts of "I have everything I ever need to play the game, I haven't bought anything since 1986". I don't even use most of the old school stuff I buy, but supporting the industry dedicated to bringing back this sort of gaming is more important, IMO.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:11 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
I just say that because there is a lot of talk there about supporting old school gaming...but I don't see it backed up much. There are some very active and ferverent DF posters, and some support the OSR movement, but you just as often see posts of "I have everything I ever need to play the game, I haven't bought anything since 1986". I don't even use most of the old school stuff I buy, but supporting the industry dedicated to bringing back this sort of gaming is more important, IMO.

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I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head. There is absolute shock when many of DF posters see a Rules Cyclopedia sell for $40. You have to wonder if they have priced new games at all.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:58 pm 
 

Ok, the count is 98. Just two copies left for purchase.

If you have not jumped in yet, do so now. Regardless, I will pull the plug on first prints on Sunday assuming these two are still around.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:46 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Greyhawk is not included within the OGL rules. You cannot publish materials using that setting or name. I don't know about Undermountain.


That's too bad.  Concerning the OGL, does one have to pay royalties or get permission from WotC?  Or is it just print a page in the back with the legal boilerplate?  

mbassoc2003 wrote:Now I'd say it is possible if you develop an adventure in Greyhawk or Undermountain and gave it away for free, or at a nominal printing cost, that would be covered by fan fiction legislation. But you'd be looking at a challenge before you could be sure.


I know fan fiction on the net is generally safe from IP challenges, but physical printing might be problematic.  Even if we can't use TSR/WotC IP such as GH and FR names/places/history, I'd still be interested in 1st Ed. AD&D and Basic D&D adventures by some of the esteemed posters on this board.  I could see it as a whole series and do quite well.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:11 am 
 

As far as I'm aware, use of the OGL is free provided the licence is printed in it's entirity within the product, and you abide by that licence.

As regards fan fiction, fanzines have published adventures set in one campaign setting or other for years, and have not successfully been prosecuted. I'd suggest the only way to test such legistative boundaries is to publish and see what happens. In such a situation, where prosecution is in a grey area, the first shot is most likely to be a robust letter from WoTC saying they wish you to withdraw the adventure as they believe it infringes their IP. A polite apology, not admitting any liability, but saying you were merely a player and a fan and have a love of the game and a wish to share your gameplay; and a withdrawl of the product, will in all likelihood end the situation there and then.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:50 am 
 

That sounds easy enough to print the OGL and no payment is necessary.  

What might be interesting is a compendium of 1st Ed. AD&D and/or Basic D&D adventures written and compiled by Acaeum members.  Just an idea...  :wink:

  

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:05 am 
 

A huge thanks to everyone who snagged their copy of RC1 The Thing in the Valley.

Sales are now closed for the first printing!
Second printing will be at printer early next week.
Also, I will have POD and PDF available on LULU and pacesettergames.com next week.

In the meantime, I will be packaging...


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:16 am 
 

Congrats man! It's nice to see this type of project be a success :wink:


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:29 am 
 

I hope the second run goes just as quick!  Now we just have to wait on the mail carriers, lol.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:41 am 
 

The Thing in the Valley isnt here anymore - its gone!

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:03 pm 
 

bbarsh -

Is this module one of your scenarios that was accepted by Dungeon magazine but never printed? Or one of the upcoming modules? I remember you mentioned this a while back here.

If so, it wouldn't hurt to mention this link to TSR when advertising the module (and if you still have the acceptance letter you could even scan it & post it on your website).

Also, when you get the 2nd printing/PDF going, you should post an advertisement in the Dragonsfoot Classified section rather than just the Classic Forum.

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:51 pm 
 

Zenopus wrote:bbarsh -

Is this module one of your scenarios that was accepted by Dungeon magazine but never printed? Or one of the upcoming modules? I remember you mentioned this a while back here.


Not one of those. Oddly enough, I am not really sure why I picked this one in particular. I think I selected for a number of small reasons. It is B/X  low-mid level, it is a full-length adventure, had some new monsters and was previously playtested. And I liked it!

I have two adventures; one that was going in Dungeon (The Screaming Temple) as a side quest, and the other Eruptor's Legacy which was accepted for Polyhedron. The Screaming Temple is out with proofers and playtesters right now. Eruptor's Legacy will follow very shortly. However, both are what I call micro-modules. They are about 16-20 pages as opposed to a more standard 32-page module.

Following those, I have two convention tournament modules in production: The Lost Caravan and Storm over Skyreach. These were run at Michicon and Gen Con, respectively.

Beyond those I have about 10 more that are in various stages of re-writes and editing: The Blood Cult, The Vampire's Curse, The Great Race, Legacy of the Unknown (sequel to B1 In Search of the Unknown), among others.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:02 pm 
 

Bill I was thinkin' that maybe it would be cool to release the Screaming Temple with another short mod to make a double-flip-book-thing like Goodman did. Or how about B/X screen with Screaming temple as a mini mod within (will ogl allow this?)


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:18 pm 
 

Great stuff on selling all the first print Bill!  :D

had no idea there was such a production line coming along! Good luck with all those and no doubt, you'll have a great audience waiting and a very busy time ahead!  :lol:


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:39 pm 
 

Congratulations on such a quick sell-through Bill :D

re: publishing GH scenarios for profit and in print:  there are ways around the GH IP, but using analogues and generic names for things.  That'll make some things difficult to refer to, but dedicated GH fans and scholars are used to making strange connections within sometimes-contradictory canon content, so putting the pieces together shouldn't be too hard for them.

(And thanks for the encouragement/shout-out, William! :D ).


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:01 pm 
 

TheMilford wrote:Bill I was thinkin' that maybe it would be cool to release the Screaming Temple with another short mod to make a double-flip-book-thing like Goodman did. Or how about B/X screen with Screaming temple as a mini mod within (will ogl allow this?)


I have been thinking about a combo module...Then I talked myself out of it...but now I am back to thinking about it.

There is talk over at Dragonsfoot about a B/X screen. I have not followed it too much.


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