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Post Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:57 am 
 

But....but...but...the commercial said "Zee game will remain zee same!"  If the commercial said it it just HAS to be TRUE! 8O   Wonder if the online virtual minis will be sold in packs containing random figures....


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:56 pm 
 

Maybe they'll just reprint the 1E orange spines with the words "Collector's Edition!" written in large colorful letters across the top...for $59.95 each.  There will be a new and improved Fiend Folio as well, which will sport an orange spine.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:02 pm 
 

I believe the main reason we all detest 3/4E is the fact that they call it Dungeons and Dragons and bill it as a roleplaying game. It clearly is neither.
Add in the fact that the original D&D was not targeted toward any specific age/gender, unlike the current attempt, and you have it in a nutshell.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:07 pm 
 

Perhaps we should judge it when it comes out!  I am curious to see what they have changed.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:09 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:I believe the main reason we all detest 3/4E is the fact that they call it Dungeons and Dragons and bill it as a roleplaying game. It clearly is neither.


This is clearly a wrong statement, we roleplay 3.5 all the time (and have a good time at it).  Avoid the power builds and you have an RPG game like any other.

True it is not 1st or 2nd ed but it is still an RPG.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:26 pm 
 

I have not played in years, well ok a LOT OF YEARS.  I did not buy or even look into 3.0 or 3.5 I am certain I will not even go to a store that even has 4.0 in it, unless Walmart or some other super chain pickes it up I happen to do business with once in a while.

In all honesty I played D&D and loved the aspect of character development. The alignment issue was key to my gamming as I found it a challeneg to play in character. It was interesting to see just how different a view of the same thing could be from a different perspective.

I learnt alot about real life and interaction with others from all of that stuff. I have fond memories of the game. Yet I guess I lost the passion for the game years ago. I actually enjoyed playing Runescape for about a year and a half when it first came out because of the character variations and the ability to really work a character. It reminded me alot of what it was like to play D&D when younger.

I gave up all of that as I have found there is just nothing that will ever compare to the old versions the friendships, and the bonds. I think alot of that whcih we all look back fondly on, may also come from the fact there were those who played and those who didn't. Those who didn't shunned those of us who did as not being normal or whatever it was. So what we all really experienced was a closeness and bond with our others whom were in the same catagory. Thus it was just nice to fit in and have friends and compannions who appreciated us for whom we were.

As to 4th edition. Well I hope it works out as said before I desire to see the game grow and get better. That is just how it is. I wouldnt want to see it go away, anymore then I desire to see other things I enjoyed when yonger disapear.   :)


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:52 pm 
 

I'm personally very excited about the changes they are making to the core world. I think they've really made a lot of good strides. I'll try out the new mechanics and if they stink, I won't use them. But, I suspect they will be supporting this new core world for a while, and it's nice to have a new world with support coming.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:56 pm 
 

More relevant to the Acaeum, when will 4E be collectible?  

I'm betting never.  How do you prove you have an "original" digital copy of something?  And it's all in Mint condition, or it doesn't work at all.   So no matter what they end of doing to the rules, it will suck.  :x

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:48 pm 
 

deimos3428 wrote:More relevant to the Acaeum, when will 4E be collectible?

Good point.

And I'll add the same point I've made regarding the collectibility of physical 3e/3.5 products: the distribution will be too well-organized, the print runs for the best stuff will be too high, and the nearly free publicity available on the interwebs to even the smallest of companies will all add up to make 4e completely non-collectible. I'd guess that fewer than a dozen items will ever command more than their actual cover price.

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:43 pm 
 

deimos3428 wrote:I'm betting never.  How do you prove you have an "original" digital copy of something?  And it's all in Mint condition, or it doesn't work at all.   So no matter what they end of doing to the rules, it will suck.  :x


Do you really believe that all of the 4e stuff will be digital only?

  

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:54 pm 
 

Well I wouldn't put to much stock in any WotC books being valuable for a long long time, the print runs are huge.  Smaller companies would be where the 4e items that could become valuable are likely to come from.  I'd say even with 3.x that holds true.  Any WotC released D&D book valuable now?

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:03 pm 
 

deimos3428 wrote:More relevant to the Acaeum, when will 4E be collectible?  

I'm betting never.  How do you prove you have an "original" digital copy of something?  And it's all in Mint condition, or it doesn't work at all.   So no matter what they end of doing to the rules, it will suck.  :x


That's a good point, and I wonder if the concentration on digital product will mean the paper and ink OOP product will increase in value.  With 3.0/3.5 being the last of the print-only D&D editions, maybe even it will be valuable, to some extent, in 20 years.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:05 pm 
 

It took a long time for RPGs to become collectible at all. The 1st print Deities & Demigods achieved it early on, so did very early issues of Dragon, but not much else did until the internet began to pull collectors together in the mid-90s.

Before that, I could go to conventions & see little if at all that was considered valuable because it was old. The older products were usually relegated to bargain bins.

AD&D 2nd ed. hasn't quite got there yet either, so I'd say that 3rd/4th ed. has a long, long time before it comes around again.

  


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:40 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:... but not much else did until the internet began to pull collectors together in the mid-90s.

The internet helped, sure; it's been a key player in the world of RPG collectibility.

But the old-school stuff was almost guaranteed to become collectible for the same reason that first-generation stuff became collectible in other niche hobbies: the original adapters — the kids, in other words — needed to become adults with disposable income.

That same pattern has happened in virtually every collectible hobby. The interwebs, I'd argue, have helped to accelerate, organize, and publicize the process to a huge degree, but it would have happened one way or the other, even had computers been outlawed in 1996 or so.

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Xaxaxe wrote:But the old-school stuff was almost guaranteed to become collectible for the same reason that first-generation stuff became collectible in other niche hobbies: the original adapters — the kids, in other words — needed to become adults with disposable income.


What I wonder is whether the OD&D and AD&D 1 ed. stuff will cease to be collectible at some point. If it became collectible when we, the kids who first played/enjoyed the games, could afford to purchase nice copies and nostalgic enough to seek them out (i.e., demand increased), will the values on these items go down when we're all dead? Of course, the supply of items in decent shape will probably decrease significantly over the years too, so it might even out. But will there be enough interested people in say 2050 for there to be a market anymore?

Oh, and I think 4th edition will suck, even more than 3rd (which I reluctantly admit I play, though I've never owned anything other than the 3.0 PHB). No gnomes? No alignment? Aren't these signs of the impending apocalypse?

  

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:36 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Well I wouldn't put to much stock in any WotC books being valuable for a long long time, the print runs are huge.  Smaller companies would be where the 4e items that could become valuable are likely to come from.  I'd say even with 3.x that holds true.  Any WotC released D&D book valuable now?

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You know, I have been tracking some of the 3E stuff, and I think we will live to see some of it as collectible.  As you said, less the WOTC stuff and more the smaller press stuff for the competionist.  That plus the limited edition items that are already rising in value (Goodman games stuff, Rappan Atthuk Reloaded, etc).  In a year or two from now when the loyal 3E player realizes THAT'S IT, that 4E is here to say, you might see a few items begin to creep up in value, much the same as some 2E stuff did in the aftermath of 3E.   Remember the tons of copies of some of the old favorites like S-series or B-series stuff that has risen in value, ane especially the items in mint shape.  Plus, I'd look at the plethora of "liscensed" items going up in value....for example, the Black Company book for 3E or the Wheel of Time RPG.  

As for 4E, man it's WAY too early to look at that, although I'd advise it wouldn't hurt to start putting away promotional junk that may come out in the next few months.

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:22 pm 
 

just spotted this...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35799


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:10 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:just spotted this...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35799


Ugh... though I know I'll get and read the 3 core books, that review doesn't do anything for me.

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