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Post Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:10 am 
 

For what it's worth, my own collection direction is generally toward the OSR.

If an Acaeum member has a publication for sale I pretty much buy it.  

I also have a Pathfinder adventure path subscription...it is the Judges Guild subscription of today.


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:11 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:Actually...I haven't read a Planscape module.  I bought several modules at Half Price Books last month (for cheap) but I have not opened them up after I typed them into my collection Excel file.


You don't mean that you typed in every word from the modules, right?

FormCritic wrote:I just figured that rumbling across the planes with demons, demodands, daemons, slaadi, modrons, devas, archons, gith, shedu, drow, yochlol, yuggoth, devils, dracoliches, ilithids and malelaphants would make for first-class power gamer silliness.


Are you talking about DragonBall Z?

  

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:14 am 
 

Isn't Dragonball Z a Planescape scenario?


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:36 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:
Astral archfiends accumulate arcane artifacts and activate awesomely armed and armored atomoton armageddon.


Hey FormCritic,

That line was the best. :)

Also loved that you included a line from a Rolling Stones song in your reply. :)

My 2 cents, I would go with Greyhawk, again for sentimentality.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:14 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:I just figured that rumbling across the planes with demons, demodands, daemons, slaadi, modrons, devas, archons, gith, shedu, drow, yochlol, yuggoth, devils, dracoliches, ilithids and malelaphants would make for first-class power gamer silliness.


Would this include Selena the Arch-nemesis of American Fathers, the Biebercreature, or Lady Gaga?


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:44 am 
 

It could.  Planar adventures have an inherent shade of silliness haunting them.  The idea of battling across Hell is inherently silly.  So is a voyage down the Styx or attacking the castle of a demon lord on Abyssal Plane #537.  Sort of like an adventure in Lovecraft's dreamworld setting...purple zebras and all.

This isn't to say that I don't like these adventures. I just consider them silly.


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:24 am 
 

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, the decision is Greyhawk.

As posted earlier, this seems like a good list to use:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/296532-greyhawk-collectors-guide.html

Starting with Greyhawk Supplement I for OD&D, my collection is fairly complete down to EX1.

But there are some interesting holes to fill.
For example, I do not own these:

G1: Steading of the Hill Giant Chief (July 1978)
G2: The Glacial Rift of the Frost Giant Jarl (July 1978)
G3: Hall of the Fire Giant King (July 1978)

Pretty fundamental part of a D&D collection, huh?
And of course the goal will be to get the mono versions :)

I'll confine the collection direction to 0E, 1E and 2E products.

And can someone explain Greyhawk Ruins:
http://rpggeek.com/rpgitem/49110/greyhawk-ruins
I did not think TSR ever published those dungeons.

Thanks for everyone's advice.
In the end, sentimentality won.


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:56 am 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, the decision is Greyhawk.

Greyhawk is a good choice with many D&D products to collect.


That is an extensive list of non-module, non-boxed-set items.  Sagard books?  Choose Your Own Adventure books?  Don't overdo it, man!  :D

And can someone explain Greyhawk Ruins:
http://rpggeek.com/rpgitem/49110/greyhawk-ruins
I did not think TSR ever published those dungeons.

Are you thinking of proper Gygax version of Castle Greyhawk?  From what I have read and heard, that never has and never will be published because it never existed in a form that could be published.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:57 am 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:But there are some interesting holes to fill.
For example, I do not own these:

G1: Steading of the Hill Giant Chief (July 1978)
G2: The Glacial Rift of the Frost Giant Jarl (July 1978)
G3: Hall of the Fire Giant King (July 1978)

Pretty fundamental part of a D&D collection, huh?
And of course the goal will be to get the mono versions :)


Hey Keith,

But there are 5 printings of each of these mono's.
Were you planning on getting them all? :)

Or just the 1st print lizard logo ones?

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:29 am 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:Are you thinking of proper Gygax version of Castle Greyhawk?  From what I have read and heard, that never has and never will be published because it never existed in a form that could be published.


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:33 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:
Wherever two or three gamers gather in the name of Gygax, he shall be there, for the Kingdom of Greyhawk is within you.


City in a Bottle was published, so there may be some hope of seeing something like that for Greyhawk. It seems that would be more likely to come from Ernie or Luke rather than Gail.


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:42 pm 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:Are you thinking of proper Gygax version of Castle Greyhawk?  From what I have read and heard, that never has and never will be published because it never existed in a form that could be published.


You've jogged my memory: Castle Greyhawk was destroyed according to lore, right?

And TLG had been working on a Castle Zygag for C&C but it never got finished.

rhynne wrote:But there are 5 printings of each of these mono's.
Were you planning on getting them all?


Not right away.  
My first target would be the Lizard logo printings.

clangador wrote:City in a Bottle was published

The "Original Bottle City" by Rob Kuntz, right?
And I own a copy.  
In fact it was one of the purchases the last time I barged into The Acaeum and pestered you guys :)

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:13 pm 
 

Greyhawk:

No, I believe they're referring to the fact that Gary Gygax never formally wrote up the Castle levels in any kind of form usable by someone else. Just maps upons maps, with contents jotted down in the room spaces and the margins, and possibly some accompanying notations. Nothing that could be run with by a new author trying to "restore" the experience in a publishable fashion.

Zagyg:

Castle Zagyg: The Upper Levels was published, but in a very short print run. My understanding is that this was largely written by someone else with EGG's input.

Please correct any of this if I'm mistaken.


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:59 pm 
 

The original (EGG only) and expanded Greyhawk Castle levels (EGG + RJK) all exist---they're definitely not destroyed.  

Castle Zagyg's dungeon level was based on one of Gary's original Castle levels---the Storerooms---and was written by Jeff Talanian, under Gary's direction.  Jeff has spoken in the past about how much control/direction Gary provided, and I'll see if he can pop over to reiterate that to whatever degree he would like.

None of the published versions of Castle Greyhawk from TSR bear any resemblance to the original or expanded castles.  So:

  • WG7 Castle Greyhawk
  • WGR1 Greyhawk Ruins
  • Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk


will not give you much of a "real" glimpse into the original games run by Gary and Rob.  Both WGR1 and EttRoG contain some hints and homages to the original content, but they're not a large percentage of the content (not more than say 2% or so, if that).

You may also find some other discussions in my review of Castle Zagyg helpful.

Hopefully that helps a little? :D


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:46 am 
 

I am just saying his older sons might be able to make something out of the original material.


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:27 am 
 

Hello fellows,

My old pal grodog suggested I stop by here to field some questions regarding Castle Zagyg, a project I had the good fortune to work on with Gary G. Although perhaps CZ as a topic is tangential to the OP, so if someone wishes to start a new thread, I'd be happy to answer what I am legally permitted to answer.

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:27 pm 
 

The meaning behind your last last sentence is?

Sounds like the debriefing after I got out of the military. You can't talk about X, Y and Z for reasons of national security.   8O


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:17 pm 
 

clangador wrote:The meaning behind your last last sentence is?

Sounds like the debriefing after I got out of the military. You can't talk about X, Y and Z for reasons of national security.   8O


Nothing nearly so serious or important as national security, Clang.

What I can't discuss is, for instance: "Which monsters were going to populate level 6-A, Jeff?"

I can discuss what was actually printed, and how the creative process worked, if folks find that sort of thing interesting, but I can't discuss the details pertaining to that which went unpublished.

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