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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:57 pm 
 

It was doomed before it was even conceived, and now there is talk of a second stimulus plan. Top that with people using the $8,000 tax credit to buy a house, and you have the pinnacle of idiocy, not to mention the same conditions that got us here to begin with: people buying unaffordable things.
It is not possible to "jump start" the economy. It HAS to take the natural course. What pisses me off to no end is that it is MY money being used to support the fucking idiots who overextended themselves.
I've never had a credit card, never been in debt until March 2008, and never had any money issues. The house I bought in March was easily within my means; I could lose my job and make the payments on it for a year without a problem. I have three cars (two regular use and one backup), all model year 2000-2001, and my wife stays at home and home schools our son, which requires us to spend a fair amount on supplies and whatnot. I do this on $68K a year. If I can do it, I see no reason whatsoever that others cannot, nor do I see any reason why they should be bailed out and/or rewarded for being fucking idiots.
Unless and until you fix the core of the issue, which is greed, you can shovel stimulus money to people all day and it won't do a damn thing.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:01 pm 
 

I was looking at Aaron's website the other day and noticed quite a few Rare's at some steep prices. (nobleknight.com)

Does he actually sell any of those at the prices he's asking?  How much of a profit do you think he's trying to make on them?  10%? More/Less?

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:12 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:I about threw up when I read this.

And just think, this sort of crap is going to happen in every state once the money starts flying.....

I like the part where all the millions of bucks tossed here have "stimulated" 23 jobs..... 8O

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I seem to remember something about "if you don't pass my stimulus bill, unemployment might hit 8% or even 9%...."

They passed it, and we are gonna hit a national rate of 10-12%.

No country in the history of this planet has ever borrowed or spent (government-spent) its way out of a recession or depression. Never. Nadda. Not a single time.

What part of "it never works" did they not understand?

Buckle up boys and girls because it is gonna get much worse. And then we will get slaughtered by inflation because the American dollar is being systematically destroyed. The American economy is so leveraged that there is simply no way to recover. (hint) printing extra billions won't work.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:18 pm 
 

I also recall a couple of Congressmen who went public and said that if they did not pass the stimulus Bills, that they were literally threatened with a 2,000 point drop in the DOW. Same Congress that got threatened with blame if an 'attack' happened after a failure to pass the Patriot Act... which no one was allowed to read. Not that any Bills get read.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:34 pm 
 

I don't know about how stimulus funds are spent or anything.

I just know that we are down a very large number of teachers in our school district at the moment, and that my wife does not have her teaching job as a result.

Somebody won, but it wasn't us.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:48 pm 
 

You know guys - I just do not know what to think about this country's finacial mess.  The Republicans will have you believe that Obama invented deficit spending but the next 3 biggest deficit spenders where the two Bush's and then Reagan and he said that "deficits don't matter."  In my life time the only president to balance the budget was Clinton.

I'm tired of the liberals wanting me to pay for everyone else and I'm tired of the right wingnuts claiming the county is going socialist.  I'm tired of the liberals not allowing any real policy change in education.  Cannot fire teachers that suck - cannot reward those that are fantastic.  Tired of the Repulicans telling me that their values are better than mine while it seems they are screwing everyone but thier own wives - one of them looking for love in an airport bathroom.  

As far as who is responsible for the housing meltdown, if banks offer poor people money they will take it.  That's human nature.  People want to blame poor people for grabbing the money SHOVED under their noses - I cannot.  If you offer a thirsty man water how do you expect him not to drink.  We can all agree about personal responsiblity (I have an inlaw with 3 bankrupcies) but none of us on this website are poor.  I just put myself in their shoes.  Someone comes up to me says here's 200,000 dollars then winks and says "I know you cannot possible pay me back because you are poor, but I'm going to make a load of money selling this loan so go ahead enjoy yourself".

Sorry for the rant.  Having a bad day.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:03 pm 
 

not wanting to de-rail this debate, but I couldnt resist posting this...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090709/tu ... cd776.html

:?  8O  :?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:10 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:not wanting to de-rail this debate, but I couldnt resist posting this...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090709/tu ... cd776.html

:?  8O  :?


I wonder how much that'll fetch on Ebay?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:26 pm 
 

Link to story with a picture of the stump.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fro ... 19175.html

Without the rosary around its "neck" it's just another goddammed stump.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:48 pm 
 

Prufrock wrote:You know guys - I just do not know what to think about this country's finacial mess.  The Republicans will have you believe that Obama invented deficit spending but the next 3 biggest deficit spenders where the two Bush's and then Reagan and he said that "deficits don't matter."  In my life time the only president to balance the budget was Clinton.

I'm tired of the liberals wanting me to pay for everyone else and I'm tired of the right wingnuts claiming the county is going socialist.  I'm tired of the liberals not allowing any real policy change in education.  Cannot fire teachers that suck - cannot reward those that are fantastic.  Tired of the Repulicans telling me that their values are better than mine while it seems they are screwing everyone but thier own wives - one of them looking for love in an airport bathroom.  

As far as who is responsible for the housing meltdown, if banks offer poor people money they will take it.  That's human nature.  People want to blame poor people for grabbing the money SHOVED under their noses - I cannot.  If you offer a thirsty man water how do you expect him not to drink.  We can all agree about personal responsiblity (I have an inlaw with 3 bankrupcies) but none of us on this website are poor.  I just put myself in their shoes.  Someone comes up to me says here's 200,000 dollars then winks and says "I know you cannot possible pay me back because you are poor, but I'm going to make a load of money selling this loan so go ahead enjoy yourself".

Sorry for the rant.  Having a bad day.

Martin


You got the right idea Martin.  Demo...Repub...they are all the same pile of dog turds...nothing different but the names.  We end up getting screwed while each party blames the other.  Every damn one of them is beholden to special interests and lobbiests who pay them lots of dough.  This latest fiasco is just a huge money grab....the politicians are looking at that pile of greenbacks like a clean pig looks at a trough full of shit, going nuts waiting to jump into it.  Sickening.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:12 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:Link to story with a picture of the stump.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fro ... 19175.html

Without the rosary around its "neck" it's just another goddammed stump.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:16 pm 
 

Just noticed that Joe Lansdale has published the first Hap and Leonard novel in eight years (Vanilla Ride), and I have it on hold at the local library. Joe is a Texas treasure, his crime and detective novels are the closest I have ever seen to anyone getting East Texas "right", warts and all.  He has a black humor, gothic style that cannot be imitated.  His Hap Collins and Leonard Pine novels are rough, filthy, hilarious, violent, suspenseful and not to be missed, especially the first three (the series tapers off a bit from there, but the first three are classic).  

Hap is a white trash liberal activist who dabbles in private eye work, and his best friend Leonard is a black, gay, conservative ex-vet martial artist who has an attitude and is constantly kicking the shit out of someone who says the wrong thing (and being east Texas, someone is always saying the wrong thing) or messes with his friend.  Some of the dialogue is laugh out loud funny. Good reads!

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:12 am 
 

SoulCatcher78 wrote:
I wonder how much that'll fetch on Ebay?


"new, maybe some damage, may have been used previously... some water marks may be evident, some leaves may be there, or may not, possibly some woodworm"

probably fetch a few quid from the Ctard or Troll&Toad if they got their grubby mitts on it!  :lol:


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:14 am 
 

"includes certificate of authenticity signed by the local clergy."


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:13 pm 
 

SoulCatcher78 wrote:"includes certificate of authenticity signed by the local clergy."


Local priest Fr Willie Russell refused to get caught up in the hype but said he was not surprised by the outpouring of interest. "This is just going to go on and on," he said. "My impression of it at the moment is that I have no impression of it. It doesn't interest me that much at the moment. I have seen the tree ... it's only a tree."


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:37 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:
Local priest Fr Willie Russell refused to get caught up in the hype but said he was not surprised by the outpouring of interest. "This is just going to go on and on," he said. "My impression of it at the moment is that I have no impression of it. It doesn't interest me that much at the moment. I have seen the tree ... it's only a tree."


Pretty sad that the clery themselves are the ones debunking this.....where in hell do people get these ideas?

Last year an apartment building had a window in a unit with some shadow that got hundreds of Mexicans out worshipping it.  When they attempted to remove the window to preserve it, it cracked and broke.  The removal was televised and you could hear the gasps, cries and screams when it shattered.  The entire episode was ridiculous. The only voice of reason was a Catholic priest at the scene that castigated the worshippers for going bonkers over dirty glass in a window.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:56 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
Pretty sad that the clery themselves are the ones debunking this.....where in hell do people get these ideas?

Last year an apartment building had a window in a unit with some shadow that got hundreds of Mexicans out worshipping it.  When they attempted to remove the window to preserve it, it cracked and broke.  The removal was televised and you could hear the gasps, cries and screams when it shattered.  The entire episode was ridiculous. The only voice of reason was a Catholic priest at the scene that castigated the worshippers for going bonkers over dirty glass in a window.

Mike B.


Thank God for priests...WHAT am I saying? 8O  

Seriously, there is a different mindset among people with less education.  Sure, there are highly educated people with off the wall phobias, passions, and eccentricities, but this worship of physical objects is much more common by common folk.  Personally, I feel sad for them and just try to help them when I can.

In a similar vein, I find it interesting as I tour Europe and see many of their grand cathedrals, the emphasis given to physical decor.  The statues and stained glass windows are amazing and depressing at the same time.  I'm guessing they were justified because the populace was largely illiterate and these decorations could be used to illustrate what was taught.  But I am also saddened because I personally would rather see money and efforts go into helping people with food and shelter than a monument.

Overall, as I understand history, it's pretty easy to poke fun at churches, priests and religion because they've made some grand blunders. But a fair look at all the hospitals, orphanages, schools created by millions of people who packed their belongings in a coffin because they knew they weren't coming home makes me appreciate the overall good.

Let's see now, what are those things I am not supposed to talk about??....politics and uh.....oh well, I'm sure it'll come to me. :wink:


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:18 pm 
 

Oh, I dunno about that.  Many of the folks I deal with every day at work are highly "educated", and yet they're some of the stupidest people I know.  Spending four years in some ivy league liberal indoctrination camp doesn't magically enlarge the size of your brain or raise your innate IQ score.  If you're an idiot when you go in, you're still an idiot coming out.

The education system isn't what it used to be.  A college degree from a big school meant something maybe 30 years ago.  But now they hand them out like candy.  Colleges nowadays are just paper mills.  Seems to me they exist to make alot of money so the staff can make a nice comfy living without having to go out in the real world and work.  Forget actually holding students to a real world academic standard.  That would be hard, and the ACLU would sue them for "grading inadequacy discrimination" or something if they did.  So everybody gets a PC smiley face on their paper.

As long as mom and dad pay the bills little johnny silverspoon gets his degree and the sense of imagined superiority and un-earned entitlement that goes with it.

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