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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:13 am 
 

WE NO LONGER SHIP TO ITALY!!



guerret wrote:Racists.


:lol:  :lol:   That does sound rather unfair.  You are lucky though that people here will happily act as postalconnectors and ship it on.  

Hmmmm. Perhaps it is jealousy - of your food and your climate and your countryside, and the rather attractive people you have wandering around your town squares.  I have a friend who lives in Tuscany, so I am lucky enough to pop over quite often. Last month I had I think the single best meal of my entire life there.  And travelling through Pisa - lovely - a great chilled-out town with really friendly people.   People have good reason to be envious :D


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:45 am 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:
$18.40 postage to ship to Canada. How big is the package for this item?
Is that reasonable postage?


I just sent a hardback copy of PHB, a TOEE Super Module, and a few other modules and papers to an Acaeum member in Canada.
It cost $23.95 for the Priority Box.
(The wieght was enough to make the other same sized box option no better bargain)

If there is a cheaper way to send a box, I would love to hear it.
Next time I will look at the rates for First Class.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:50 am 
 

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:lol:  :lol:   That does sound rather unfair.  You are lucky though that people here will happily act as postalconnectors and ship it on.  

Hmmmm. Perhaps it is jealousy - of your food and your climate and your countryside, and the rather attractive people you have wandering around your town squares.  I have a friend who lives in Tuscany, so I am lucky enough to pop over quite often. Last month I had I think the single best meal of my entire life there.  And travelling through Pisa - lovely - a great chilled-out town with really friendly people.   People have good reason to be envious :D


The world is so small. I live in Pisa, too. And I agree with most of the things you say, Italy (and Tuscany in particular) has a good deal of things making it very pleasant and interesting. But NOT when it all comes to efficiency, and that's where the postal system comes in...

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:01 am 
 

Italians are wonderful.  The Italian Post Office leaves much to be desired.  I have had several difficulties with shipments to Italy.  I still ship there, but only by registered mail.  And even that doesn't work sometimes! :?


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:17 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:If there is a cheaper way to send a box, I would love to hear it.
Next time I will look at the rates for First Class.


First Class Mail is only really cheaper if you are shipping 1 or 2 modules.  As soon as you get into the hardcover book, First Class is probably around $8 + envelope, which makes the Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Envelope for $10 a more attractive option.

After that, the $24 Priority Box or $30 Priority Box are usually your best options.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:43 am 
 

guerret wrote:
Racists.


Please.....Give me a break.  I am so sick of people screaming racism when it isn't even close.  Take a look at the definition:

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Did he mention anything about he was superior or wish to rule over Italians?  Get the F*** over it.  He clearly states he doesn't ship to Italy in his auction, probably because your shitty postal service has screwed him in the past.  Move on to a different auction and seller if you are so "offended."  By the way, there isn't anything that states in any doument, manuscript, or otherwise that it is against any rule, law or organization that you have the right not to be offended.  Give me a break.....racist.  Perhaps you should right to Nelson Mandela to see if he thinks this would fit under the category of racism.

Perhaps his judgement is prejudice against Italy's postal service.  Here is the definition for prejudice in case you need it also:

1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.  
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.  
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

Sorry for the rant, but living in the southeast US, racism is a term that is too loosely thrown around for the matter of convenience for those who have had their feelings hurt. I'm off my soapbox now.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:04 am 
 

coastiemike8 wrote:
Please.....Give me a break.  I am so sick of people screaming racism when it isn't even close.  Take a look at the definition:

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Did he mention anything about he was superior or wish to rule over Italians?  Get the F*** over it.  He clearly states he doesn't ship to Italy in his auction, probably because your shitty postal service has screwed him in the past.  Move on to a different auction and seller if you are so "offended."  By the way, there isn't anything that states in any doument, manuscript, or otherwise that it is against any rule, law or organization that you have the right not to be offended.  Give me a break.....racist.  Perhaps you should right to Nelson Mandela to see if he thinks this would fit under the category of racism.

Perhaps his judgement is prejudice against Italy's postal service.  Here is the definition for prejudice in case you need it also:

1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.  
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.  
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

Sorry for the rant, but living in the southeast US, racism is a term that is too loosely thrown around for the matter of convenience for those who have had their feelings hurt. I'm off my soapbox now.


errr... ahemmm... well, i think he used it in a sarcastic way...


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:14 am 
 

coastiemike8 wrote:...


No, please, YOU give me a break. Thank you for taking the time to look up the dictionary. Did you really need it to be sure it was exactly what you meant? Myself, I'm no ignorant, I know exactly what racism means, and I am perfectly conscious that there is no "racism" here. I would not even dare seriously invoke a racism issue for eBay purchases.

Now, what did I just say? Oh yeah, that's the key word in the matter. "Seriously". Of course I wouldn't dare do it seriously. But I think I'm allowed to do it as a joke, even if I see nobody wearing a white hood with "KKK" written on it, right?

Let's try to make it plain and very, very simple. I was a bit pissed off with that "no-shipping-to-Italy" issue, and I had two options to react. Either a rant over how annoying such sellers are, or take it the "good" way and cut it short with a sharp joke. Oh well, I might also swallow it and stay silent, but that's not the point of a "discussion forum".

I really did not want to offend someone, but if you are the only one who felt upset for the word, then maybe the real problem is that you did not see that I was not serious. I know that "even opportunities" and "fair treatment" are some of the issues of the century, those kinds of subjects for which someone going against the tide needs to be impaled, but I would like to think there is no witch-hunting in this forum.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:25 am 
 

guerret wrote:I would like to think there is no witch-hunting in this forum.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:26 am 
 

Posting to italy:



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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:45 am 
 

Lots of Dragon Magazine Archives this week:



aneoth, 3 days, 7 hours:

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ajsfingers, 3 days, 10 hours:

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cap_trooper, 4 days, 7 hours:

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davionm123, 6 days, 21 hours:

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flatscan1, 7 days, 9 hours:

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:17 pm 
 

benjoshua wrote:Italians are wonderful.  The Italian Post Office leaves much to be desired.  I have had several difficulties with shipments to Italy.  I still ship there, but only by registered mail.  And even that doesn't work sometimes! :?


Italy is the only country I would flat out lie on a customs form, because anything over say $50 seems to disappear or be opened.  Italy, and oddly enough Canada, have been the source of most of my problems in shipping.  Using only priority mail has cut down immensely, but registered mail may be in the future.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:22 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:I just sent a hardback copy of PHB, a TOEE Super Module, and a few other modules and papers to an Acaeum member in Canada.
It cost $23.95 for the Priority Box.
(The wieght was enough to make the other same sized box option no better bargain)

If there is a cheaper way to send a box, I would love to hear it.
Next time I will look at the rates for First Class.

The "Flat Rate" boxes are only a deal if they item you're shipping is relatively heavy.  If it's a couple of pounds, don't use the "Priority International Flat Rate Box", use "Priority International" instead.  It'll still get there in 6-10 days.

And yes, don't force someone to take Priority if they don't want it.  Unless the package is over 4 pounds, First Class is considerably cheaper.

Example 1: item weighing two pounds:

Priority International = $18.40 (6-10 days)
Priority International Flat Rate Box = $23.95 (6-10 days)
First Class Mail International Package = $8.56 (varies)

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http://ircalc.usps.gov/default.aspx


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:24 pm 
 

In my city we used to have one of the major regional Canada Post sorting facility.

One of their employees was fired for stealing either money from envelopes or packaged items (don't quite remember the details).

He was convicted and sentenced and a couple of years later when he was released the Postal Union fought for him to get his old job back. Under their agreements at the time Canada Post had to take him back.

And that is why valuable packages tend to disappear in Canada.


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:25 pm 
 

coastiemike8 wrote:
Sorry for the rant, but living in the southeast US, racism is a term that is too loosely thrown around for the matter of convenience for those who have had their feelings hurt. I'm off my soapbox now.


Mike, I really think Guerret was reacting sarcastically to the comment.  People from other countries can't possibly know the ridiculous lengths some in this country will go to claim "racism" as a bias...they don't have the cultural background.  So cmon guys it was just a misunderstood comment.

As an example, a long time city councilman and city activist in Dallas was recently convicted (caught red handed, actually) of stealing money from a college fund he was supposed to be managing. He got jail time because he wouldn't apologize for his crime, citing the charge as "racist" (yes he's black, and yes a simple apology would have taken all jail time off the plate).  The funny part is the college he stole money from isa black college, run by an all black administration, with all black students....and he was turned in by the all-black committee who were also overseeing the distribution of the fund.....to black students.....??????  Sure, that was "Racist"....... :roll:

I think that might be part of the background CoastieMike is ranting from.....

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:30 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:In my city we used to have one of the major regional Canada Post sorting facility.

One of their employees was fired for stealing either money from envelopes or packaged items (don't quite remember the details).

He was convicted and sentenced and a couple of years later when he was released the Postal Union fought for him to get his old job back. Under their agreements at the time Canada Post had to take him back.

And that is why valuable packages tend to disappear in Canada.


Err, oh yeh, Canada is the OTHER country I may fib on the customs form concerning value....since never declaring anything to be over $50 the last few years, I've had no missing/opened/rifled packages. Before that, whenver I shipped something over $50 it was GUARANTEED to be opened and fingered at least once between here and it's destination.  But hey they would "repackage" the item with an obligatory ONE strand of tape when they got through manhandling it and kicked it out the door to it's destination..... :roll:

Make no mistake, in my mind the Canadian and Italian postal "services" are about the same level of incompetence....

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:30 pm 
 

Well to be fair, if someone is going to make a sarcastic statement, perhaps the use of an emoticon would be sensible.  There are way too many people on this forum of different backgrounds and mindsets to assume that everyone that reads a sarcastic comment or a joke will simply "get it".

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:42 pm 
 

It does get tiring seeing the racism card played constantly. I myself am not the least bit racist; I hate everyone equally, regardless of color.


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