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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:36 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:1-1 tie.


Draw. Its called a One All Draw, not a Tie.  :)

red_bus wrote:And the american keeper is very good


Yeah, he's an Everton player :)

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:44 pm 
 

I don't understand how both teams can move forward with a draw.  I suppose it's to many years of watching other tournaments where there has to be a winner to move forward.  Is there some sort of rule system for overtime later in the tournament?


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:47 pm 
 

You get one point for a draw and three (I think) for a win.  The two teams with the most points move on.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:55 pm 
 

Wait! Are you talking about the game where they kick the ball in the net?  :wink:


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:02 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:1-1 tie.

Is that good or bad?


For the US, it's anywhere from good to meh.

For England, I think a lot of people will see it as not so good to bad.  England was favored.  Also, I think it could easily be argued that England places much more importance on soccer/football than most people in the US.  This is my opinion. *benjoshua ducks* :eye:


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:20 pm 
 

This might be of interest to fans of the old SSI "Goldbox" D&D games. These were great games that I really enjoyed playing, but have been unable to in the last decade or so because of modern computers lack of ability to play these old games, or even if you could get them to run, they ran so fast as to be unplayable. There is a freeware DOS emulator called DOSbox (easy to find with Google) that will allow your modern PC to run these great old games in their full EGA glory. It even emulates the old PC speaker sounds! Of course, you need a copy of the actual games for it to work. Great stuff!

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:40 pm 
 

Doug Williams wrote:There is a freeware DOS emulator called DOSbox (easy to find with Google) that will allow your modern PC to run these great old games in their full EGA glory. It even emulates the old PC speaker sounds! Of course, you need a copy of the actual games for it to work. Great stuff!


If you want to play these games, you should look for the Amiga versions and use one of the Amiga emulators.  The Amiga was capable of better graphics and music so a number of games had these features compared with the PC version.  Its a wonder why people put up with the grunts and beeps of PC speaker compared with 4 channel stereo sound.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:51 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:You get one point for a draw and three (I think) for a win.  The two teams with the most points move on.


Yep, top two teams in the group after the 3 matches move into the knock-out stage. That's where "Overtime" or as its actually called, extra-time, comes into play if it is a draw. If it is still a draw after extra-time, its a penalty shoot out.

They once tried the silver and golden goal rule, but that didn't take off.

Edit - in response to the draw... Bugger.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:23 am 
 

Hi,

despite the nationalistic fervor, unfortunately England don't have QUITE such a good team this year. They played pretty naff in the warm-ups.

They should make the Quarters (fingers crossed), but I don't know beyond that, unfortunately.

Such is the feeling here, there are calls already for the English goalie to be sacked. One mistake...

I had the good fortune to actually attend a friendly between Nigeria and Columbia a couple of weeks ago. Just so happened we were at a signing event at the MK Dons stadium (Missus wanted Sir Patrick Stewarts autograph), and our room actually overlooked the pitch :)

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:37 am 
 

Hi,

coupla shots of the stadium from the room. Nice idea, having rooms overlooking the pitch.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/malcolmlaw ... 695065321/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/malcolmlaw ... 695700776/

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:57 am 
 

personally i said it would be a draw....think it was a fair result all round. the US played pretty well and i think it was a good result for them. england, they played as i thought they would - sluggish....never easy also to play at 2000ft altitude, so now thats out the way, you should see them play better in the next game now that they will be more used to it - dont know if you guys saw the interview with Steven Gerrard after the game? did you notice how dehydrated he was? way more than the norm - so that will be addressed and sorted for the next one - you will see a step up from them.

poor robert green....good goalie and well he made a mistake - it happens - hes young but has tons of promise. i personally thought he redeemed himself with a fantastic save from a US player that needs a kicking for NOT scoring from a position like that (ppl easily overlook stuff like that) - he also did well considering the defence looked lethargic and not even in the game.

but i expect both teams to qualify for knockout anyway - both have the quality.

i always liked the US goalie...he is a good goalkeeper and he quite literally kept you in the game. you have some decent players...most of whom actually play in the UK too, but if england actually pressed more like they usually do - i think the game would have ran away from you - they shouldnt have played aaron lennon (kept hold of the ball way too long and didnt cross the ball well or even when he should have) and shaun wright-philips was just plain hopeless imo. ledley king i thought looked totally out of his depth. once gareth barry is available, i would drop one of the above and play gerrard there and let him roam - we will do a lot better then.

as i said - decent enough opening match - could have gone either way - opportunities from both sides, but i think a fair result in the end. i hope capello gives green another chance. its the only way he will improve.

well done the US!

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:26 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:poor robert green  ... i personally thought he redeemed himself with a fantastic save from a US player that needs a kicking for NOT scoring from a position like that (ppl easily overlook stuff like that) - he also did well considering the defence looked lethargic and not even in the game.


I think you are referring to the US player Altidore who came past our defence on the outside - fast and confident, pretty impressive !  Overall, I think you are right, England pushed really well up front and came close on a number of occasions to 2:1; but the defence needs to shape up - especially once everyone is out of group stages and into the knock-out rounds.  8O


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:16 am 
 

Mars wrote:If you want to play these games, you should look for the Amiga versions and use one of the Amiga emulators.  The Amiga was capable of better graphics and music so a number of games had these features compared with the PC version.  Its a wonder why people put up with the grunts and beeps of PC speaker compared with 4 channel stereo sound.


Great idea. My first PC was a Commodore 64 back around 1983. Much better sound and graphics than the then current x86 based PCs. I was an "early adopter" when the Amiga 500 was first released. Amazing graphics and sound for the time. I resisted buying a x86 system for a long time, but finally it became obvious that Commodore was going under and you were either going to x86 or be one of those weird Apple people. ;-)

But having said that, I never played the Gold Box games on my C64 or Amiga. My first experience playing them was with a 386 based system. Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, and Secret of the Silver Blades are all EGA graphics with PC speaker sound. Well....Secret plays some music via sound blaster at the start of the game, but the actual gameplay sounds are PC speaker. Pools of Darkness, the final game of the series, is in glorious VGA and all the sounds are via a sound blaster card. I have all the games still sitting on my shelf, in their original gold boxes, complete with floppies, manuals, code wheels, and even the hint books. Great games!

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:45 am 
 

Doug Williams wrote:Great idea. My first PC was a Commodore 64 back around 1983. Much better sound and graphics than the then current x86 based PCs. I was an "early adopter" when the Amiga 500 was first released. Amazing graphics and sound for the time. I resisted buying a x86 system for a long time, but finally it became obvious that Commodore was going under and you were either going to x86 or be one of those weird Apple people. ;-)

I first played PoR on my C64 until it died. I still have my copies of PoR, Azure and Silver along with my old Mac boxed away, so I can still use them if I want.

Recently tried to load one of the others (brain won't recall the name) using Boxer on the Mac (like DOSBox). It was very disappointing when it let me go through the process of creating a character, then refused to let me save.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:53 am 
 

SimperingToad wrote: It was very disappointing when it let me go through the process of creating a character, then refused to let me save.


Most of the Amiga emulators I have used have a feature (as part of the emulator) to save the state of the machine.  Using the save game feature in the game can sometimes be a bit tricky - you need to "create and format" a blank disk recognizable by the emulator, then have the software machine write to it, etc.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:12 am 
 

red_bus wrote:I think you are referring to the US player Altidore who came past our defence on the outside - fast and confident, pretty impressive !


That was a pretty impressive block by Green there.  I just finished watching the Algeria/Slovenia match and based on what I saw, England and the U.S. definitely have the superior teams.  The England players really know how to control the ball and their passing and movement skills are really incredible.  I thought Frank Lampard and Wayne Rooney were especially impressive.  It will be interesting to watch a couple of the really great teams play each other later in the tournament.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:47 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:
That was a pretty impressive block by Green there.  I just finished watching the Algeria/Slovenia match and based on what I saw, England and the U.S. definitely have the superior teams.  The England players really know how to control the ball and their passing and movement skills are really incredible.  I thought Frank Lampard and Wayne Rooney were especially impressive.  It will be interesting to watch a couple of the really great teams play each other later in the tournament.


I agree, both teams could make it, but the Slovenians got a great late win today and puts them in a good position. I think the fact you guys are playing Algeria last, when hopefully they will be out already with no points should help you. I'd be surprised if we don't take a further 6 points now, so it could be down to goals scored.

With the later games, a real stormer could be Holland v Brazil in the 1/4 finals! Otherwise the winner of that game should end up against Spain in the final, I predict.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:17 pm 
 

i dont think the USA will ever be in a better position to progress than they are now. they can easily overcome slovenia and algeria if they play as well as they did against england.

i would like to see them progress - it would be good for the game over in the states, profile-wise.

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