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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 2:39 am

I wonder, do the original authors or their estates receive compensation for these re-hashed adventures? Or were their work more in line with the buyout/work-for-hire contracts that the illustrators received?

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:41 am

Badmike wrote:I agree this has started to become ludicrous. I'd love ONE SINGLE original idea to pop out of WOTC's ass anytime soon.

Unfortunately, that would require the company to employ talented writers and have a product range that inspires talented writers to excel. And in order for that to happen, they would need to have a company ethos, and a management structure that can, a) identify talent, and b) have vision of where the future of D&D lies. As it is, they have no talent within the company or its sub-contract pool, and no-one within the company can tell the difference between talent and pulp fiction, and they have a product that has been destroyed by many years of neglect and neither the vision nor motivation to change it.

This week I've been mostly eating . . . The white ones with the little red flecks in them.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:47 am

Yeech. Now the moat frogs will have 66 HP, do 3-30 damage, and have the Tongue Lash, Ultra Bite and Super Croak attacks....
When is the next "E" due out?

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:18 am

4.5E out later this year when they remove all the fuck-ups in the current ruleset. Next year sees the anouncement of Advenaced Dungeons & Dragons Revised Edition, where they attempt to resusitate their dead corpse of a company with a name change, and then try to rehash AD&D 1E by adding the worst bits of MtG and 3.5E to it. They'll also reprint the white box and call it D&D OE and sell it in a quaint little white box.

This week I've been mostly eating . . . The white ones with the little red flecks in them.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 12:17 pm

And then they'll come out with the "Get Off My Lawn!" edition, which will be perfect for some of you guys.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:37 pm

Xaxaxe wrote:And then they'll come out with the "Get Off My Lawn!" edition, which will be perfect for some of you guys.

Where's the Grumpy Old Men photo when we need it???

While I view the D&D versions with amusement, and am of the philosophy that whatever gets you playing the game is good, I just don't understand the digging up the backyard for these older modules. Instead why not create a NEW classic module for a whole new generation? I thought 4e's H3 Pyramid of Shadows was a step in the right direction...it had the look, and the feel, down perfectly. When will these guys learn its about the ADVENTURES, not the endless supplements and campaign packs? Just give us good adventures, and no matter what the version, it will be alright. The umpteenth version of "Tomb of Horrors" or whatever is not advancing anything.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:31 pm

misterspock wrote:I wonder, do the original authors or their estates receive compensation for these re-hashed adventures? Or were their work more in line with the buyout/work-for-hire contracts that the illustrators received?

A part of the reason for the pull of PDF sales perhaps? Don't know the situation, but if people received residuals, then pulling the line of PDFs and releasing 'new' versions would remove the ties to old authors. If my thinking is clear. But hey, I'm not in the biz, so who knows?

It is rather strangely timed.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:39 pm

SimperingToad wrote:A part of the reason for the pull of PDF sales perhaps? Don't know the situation, but if people received residuals, then pulling the line of PDFs and releasing 'new' versions would remove the ties to old authors. If my thinking is clear. But hey, I'm not in the biz, so who knows?

It is rather strangely timed.

In the case of Village of Hommlet, it looks like Gary Gygax gets a full writing credit. Of course, this is not for sale, it is a giveaway, so no residuals to be made there in any case.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:46 pm

I'm at a complete loss for words here. Interesting differential in the two prices.

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And there are three more up currently with more to come I'm sure. Damn I sure am glad I dont collect D&D.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:29 pm

Not too surprised at the prices. With the first copies, no one really knows what the other guy is going to bid or how "rare" it is. Similar things will probably happen with some of the Free RPG Day items too. Maybe that will also be a good day to list the extra copies of last year's items too. I'm sure the flooding of copies to Ebay will level out soon.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:37 pm

I am on board with Mike.

Get your 4e out of my T1!

Why is it that in order to lend any sort of credibility to any version of D&D they need to rehash a classic. For some reason there seems to be a mentality that good scenario (ala the classics) is beneath them.

And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:37 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote:I'm at a complete loss for words here. Interesting differential in the two prices.

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And there are three more up currently with more to come I'm sure. Damn I sure am glad I dont collect D&D.

Soulcatcher, what was the BIN you passed up?

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:43 pm

Grug Greyskin wrote:
Soulcatcher, what was the BIN you passed up?

$24.99 I think. The good fortune of that seller (Sell_My_Crap ?) has brought a number of other sellers out for us to pick and choose from though. I'm currently watching one at 9.99 and another hovering at 15. If nothing else, there's always Gen Con where I'm sure there will be a few floating around (maybe not the greatest of price points but who knows). Not sure of the collectability of something like this (at least not in the short term since I'm sure they sent quite a few out) and if they haven't made many adjustments, it wouldn't be hard to do the conversion if you wanted to just run it. If I get my hands on one it will likely just be to rip (die shrinkwrap, die)/read/resell.

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:24 pm

bbarsh wrote:I am on board with Mike.

Get your 4e out of my T1!

Why is it that in order to lend any sort of credibility to any version of D&D they need to rehash a classic. For some reason there seems to be a mentality that good scenario (ala the classics) is beneath them.

Say what you want about Paizo, but they are at least TRYING to create new "classics" with their Adventure Path series. From what I've read some of the chapters aren't half bad either. I have more respect for someone at least taking a shot at creating their own magic than trying to pull the same rabbit out of the hat for the 100th time...

But what Bill said, do companies like WOTC think at this point that scenario creation is "beneath" them, or not worth even trying to do properly? Or is there just more money in $39 sourcebooks?

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:04 pm

Badmike wrote:
Say what you want about Paizo, but they are at least TRYING to create new "classics" with their Adventure Path series. From what I've read some of the chapters aren't half bad either. I have more respect for someone at least taking a shot at creating their own magic than trying to pull the same rabbit out of the hat for the 100th time...

But what Bill said, do companies like WOTC think at this point that scenario creation is "beneath" them, or not worth even trying to do properly? Or is there just more money in $39 sourcebooks?

Mike B.

The DCC line was trying to do the same thing. I've reviewed #1-12 and some good adventures in there even if they need conversion work.

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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:36 am

Kingofpain89 wrote:I'm at a complete loss for words here. Interesting differential in the two prices.

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It's not that hard to explain.

The first seller had crap feedback. There was no indication at all that he was reliable.

The second one is high-ish, for sure, but the winning bid itself is me forgetting to cancel a snipe. There was a total of five of these up there earlier this weekend, and I got my snipes mixed up; I meant to not go so high on this one and wait a bit for one of the later ones. But, as I said, I got them all back-asswards. At this stage, unless I get with the program, I'm going to end up owning like three of the damn things. :wink:

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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:13 am

Whale Tagger wrote:Yeech. Now the moat frogs will have 66 HP, do 3-30 damage, and have the Tongue Lash, Ultra Bite and Super Croak attacks....
When is the next "E" due out?

Xaxaxe wrote:It's not that hard to explain...... At this stage, unless I get with the program, I'm going to end up owning like three of the damn things.

EIGHTY FREAKING BUCKS for a brand new copy of a rehashed T1?!?!

You can have em all for what I care.

I already have a copy of T1 on my self (Actually a few of em). :lol:

And I did not have to pay $40, or $80 for it either.

In fact IIRC I did not even pay a TENTH of the lower end of that range. :lol:

OK, a collector might pay upwards of $40 for a Mint SWed First Print (Mono) of T1 these days, but not $80.

Those damned frogs were tuff enough in the old days without giving them 66 HPs and damage of 3-30, with special attacks and feats and such.
I DMed that Module a few times in the old days and once here with the grandkids too.
Them danged frogs were brutal as heck just as they were created way back for OD&D.

You guys have fun with the revised Ultra wicked New age Frogs at the Pond next to the newly revised Moathouse....
"Tongue Lash, Ultra Bite and Super Croak attacks....."
Indeed......... :lol:

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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:51 am

SoulCatcher78 wrote:Not sure of the collectability of something like this (at least not in the short term since I'm sure they sent quite a few out)

Short term collectability is very good - get one from the RPGA for free and sell it for $50-$80. Long term collectability is not bad either - get one from the RPGA for free and sell it for $10-$15 (my guess in a years time).

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