bombadil wrote:Why do you guys keep writing 'Palace of the Silver Princes">OB3', instead of just OB3?

It's the acronym tags messing up.  B3 auto-acronyms, and since O-B3 acronyms to "Orange B3" or something like that, it goes through again and catches the second B3 -- thereby breaking the HTML tag.

And who is 414?

You are Number 6.

bombadil wrote:Two questions:

Why do you guys keep writing 'Palace of the Silver Princes">OB3', instead of just OB3?

And who is 414?

Doug Rhea.

Mars wrote:
Yes, my valuation is based that whoever buys the lot could sell off everything separately for about $2400 (at least).  Generally buying a big lot like this you would get a nice discount on that price.  The OB3 has caused a bit of a fenzy. Also 414 has been buying up rares lately so this falls nicely into their sinister plans.

At $2400, I am not sure it would be much of a discount if you aren't considering the shipping you'd save trying to buy things individually. Looking at this from strictly resale purposes, I'd have maxed out a bid $1600-$1700.  That's $850 for the Orange B3, $200 for the RPGA1(which both might even be a bit on the high side if I am counting on a quick turnaround, like I do) and then maxing out at $7 per item for all the other items(for a total of $581).  

Typically, when I am looking at lots of common items for resale purposes, I generally am looking to spend $4-$5 per item including shipping, although occasionally a bit more than that.  Much more than that in most circumstances, when you include Ebay/PayPal fees, you are probably going to end up on the short end of the stick when it's all said and done.  

Those who have Ebay stores can afford to pay a little bit more since they can be more patient trying to turn things around, but since I don't, I have to be more conservative when buying lots for resale.

Gus Landt wrote:Yes, I warned him. I never told him to block ctard, just to be extremely cautious and to not mail to him in the UK.  The seller then asked me for ctard's ID so he could block him, as he didn't want to risk it.  

As for the value of an opened B3, does anyone have any evidence of one selling at auction for more than the $1100 blackmoor paid last GenCon?

Me as well, I'd sent him an email detailing the pitfalls of PayPal & whatnot;

1 Gotta go registered
2 With tracking
3 Insurance mandatory (to cover himself on SNAD claims)
4 Although he doesn't mention returns I intend to mail him so that the buyer pays return shipping and that no partial refunds will be issued...
Should scare off the skells, the cheapseats usually being the ones trying to pull that fastone. And they don't want to take a chance they may actually have to part with some coin, and by the way; PayPal WILL back that up

All of that being said you guys did email him "c-retards" multiple handles??? I only know of 2 , and would be grateful to know the rest.
A PM on that matter would be nice.

Which brings me around to another matter which you'll hopefully forgive me for going off topic; multiple user IDs'
I've given this matter a fair amount of thought, and reached the following conclusions.

The only legitimite reason I could think of to have more than 1 would be for selling items of a completely different nature (e.g. clothing vs electronics) if they're are others which didn't occur to me, I'm all ears...

Everything else falls under the heading of "Sketchy BS"
1 Shill bidding
2 Scam sellers out of their money
3 Riddle "your" competition with unmerited negs.

The above being said EBay cares not one whit about this presently, hell, look at the "Legend of ScubaBri". Kids' up to I think 30 negs left out of 70 something transactions. not really the same thing I know, that he's still on Ebay should give us all pause, stunned me...

Something I did find refreshing on this was that while you can do nothing about this practice from buyers abroad, you can do quite a bit about it here in the US. One of my regulars @ the bar is a US Postal Inspector, he told me that "charge-backs" for items not received or SNAD when that is patently not the case constitute mail-fraud. In the case of one offense, your unlikely to do anytime, however if a pattern could be established that'd would another matter entirely. You can get a "bullet" for each charge, and they don't call it the "pokey" for nothing, so have at it, bang those jerkys hard!

I think a case for unmerited negs could also be made, at least as a civil matter.

Thought that would be good for you sellers on here/Ebay to know, while the skell who tries that crap may think he's got away with it. If you feel obliged to do something about it, it'll only just seem that way for a while  

According to Mark " ever happens again, let me know, I'll have 'em locked up so fast their head'll spin", their jurisdiction is Federal. No reason for Ebay to go any further  into the snakepit of scam artists and hysterical narcissists it's becoming  

The Orange B3, in shrink, from here:
viewtopic.php?t=8091

just sold for $1450. So anyone saying an opened B3 is worth 1400+ is smoking something...  

Has anyone seen an opened B3 sell for more than $1100?

The item is no longer on Ebay, but here is a forum discussion talking about a OB3 going for $3k on Ebay, March of 2008.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/miniatures ... range.html

Gus Landt wrote:Yes, but again, that one was still sealed in shrink IIRC.  I am talking about an opened one.

I see this auction getting 1-2 more bids and ending under $2600.  Way too much for a reseller, so I'm guessing whoever is still bidding needs most of what is in it.

And my numbers in the final NCAA game didn't hit, so I will not be bidding any further on this wonderful lot...   

warhammerfan wrote:Yeah, granted shrinkwrapped items are considered worth more, but have to be careful with them.  I know T&T likes to shrink used products and try to pawn it off for more.

I once opened a mint conditioned shrinkwrapped CoC GM screen only to find 1/4 of a page ripped out of the book and gone.

Bam. T&T is careful not state that their shrinked stuff is actually not shrinked.

bbarsh wrote:
Bam. T&T is careful not state that their shrinked stuff is actually not shrinked.

Not sure what you meant, but I've ordered a bunch of Star Frontiers modules from them, all new / shrinkwrapped condition.

When I received the package all the modules were worn, spined creased, damaged, etc.

The last two times I've ordered from them I've had to return most of the items due to the condition not matching what they stated.