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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:23 pm 
 

Oh, yeah, those things. Forgot all about them. :)

Did recently get one for a huge lot of Champions stuff that I turned down, due the outrageous cost of shipping. Like I want to pay $50 for the items, and then $100 for shipping... yeah, that's what I want to do.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:28 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:37 pm 
 

Pipswich wrote:I think I may go back to bidding and simply allow the seller to opt out occassionally or offer to pay closer to my real bid than the default opening at 99c.  That would ease my reservations and support the sellers too.

8O  What are you, the federal government?  Price supports, auction forgiveness, seller bailouts?   8O

  


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:13 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:26 pm 
 

Pipswich wrote:I just don't think collecting is a blood sport and for business to continue it has to be mutually agreeable.  Clearly, it will not continue, if sellers give up trying to sell because they are losing money.  99c auctions destroy business peoples ability to function and trade.  And I am pretty sure there are people feeding their family and paying mortgages with this money.  I don't need a collectible bad enough to compromise that.




The only thing sellers have any control over any more on ebay is their starting bid. If you need to get a minimum of $10 for something, start your bid at $10. It is that simple. Starting at 99 cents and praying your item is gonna go to $10 is not a good idea in this environment.



I have been selling for more than 10 years and I have had things go way below what I expected - tough shit. On the other hand I have had stuff go for 10x what I expected. That is the nature of selling on ebay.



Right now, those with the ability to collect should be going nuts. Prices are generally in their favor. But it will not last forever...if it does...we will have a great deal more to worry about than buying old rpgs on ebay...



And I wouldn't worry too much. If the trend continues, people will start to sell less. Then supply will go down and prices will go back up. Supply and demand. It is that simple.


And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:35 pm 
 

I've been selling stuff slowly over the last 12 months or so, and I haven't noticed much of a slow down. Granted, I don't sell in huge volumes - just a few hundred dollars a month or so - but it's been pretty stable.

Having said that, this time last year I had moire examples of price spikes - items selling for far more than they should have. I and X series modules for example going for $100-150. Not in shrink even.

These days there seems to be the same level of interest - similar number of watches, items go for about the same price on average. It could be that like others have said, the stronger US dollar has helped. An item I sell for $20 AUD equates to around $12 or $13 USD, and shipping is pretty reasonable - I can send a module to the USA for around $5 USD, which makes it competitive with domestic US shipping (I don't add any extra handling on top, so the extra couple of dollars most US sellers seem to add makes airmail from here in the same ball park as 1st class USPS).

I generally start items at the lowest I'm prepared to accept for them - if they don't sell, I don't mind putting them aside and trying them again in a month or two. I find I usually get a pretty good sell rate though, around 75% or so.

There is a big difference though between what I do (selling as a hobby) as opposed to selling to make a living. I'm not buying to sell and try and make a profit - just offloading items I've acquired over the years so I can use the cash for other things.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:07 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:Right now, those with the ability to collect should be going nuts.


Yes... yes I am.  :)

Of course, it helps that I collect to read/use, not... shrinkwrappiness or ultra rare items.  But of the general items, there seem to be plenty available in mid-grade, so I try to make sure not to go crazy on any one particular item... it probably will show up again pretty soon.  If there are enough copies of a module available, eventually I'll get one for a sweet price.

For you sellers, the good news is that I pretty much just got back into this (well, I've been working on Warhammer for a long time), so I have a lot to learn and a lot to buy!

  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:09 pm 
 

Pipswich wrote:I think I may go back to bidding and simply allow the seller to opt out occassionally or offer to pay closer to my real bid than the default opening at 99c.  That would ease my reservations and support the sellers too.


My favorite BBQ place went out of business a couple of weeks ago.  If I had only used your philosophy maybe he would still be in business.  I guess I should have felt bad buying BBQ brisket sandwiches for $4.99 and offered to pay him $7.99 instead.

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Ok, lets be realistic.  Business doesnt work that way and neither does collecting.  A good businessman changes the way they do business when times get tough, they dont keep doing things that lose money.  Maybe the owner of the BBQ restaurant could have upped his prices a little.  Maybe the supply company he bought his pickles from was charging him higher prices than a different company and he makes a change there (dont laugh, according to airline trivia, American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive from each salad served in first class).  Or maybe his BBQ just wasnt as good as he (and I) thought.  Regardless, its unfortunate that he went out of business but I'm not about to pay a ridiculous price for a BBQ sandwich at his place when I can get a pretty good one for half the price a couple of miles down the road.

And why do you feel the need to mention the words "collecting" and "blood sport" in the same sentence?  I really dont see the correlation.  Pretty much every person I know that collects something is elated when they find a rare item and pay a fraction of what the consensus value of it is.  I guarantee that if I ever find a woodgrain set in an antique store for $25 I am not going to feel bad about getting a heck of a deal when another customer grossly overpays for a piece of ratty furniture from the same store.  It all evens out eventually.

Ebay is an auction site (or used to be).  Not a charity site.  But if you really feel the need to help all of the sellers that according to you, arent getting the support they need, you could always start a second account and bid against yourself on items you want.  That way the seller gets more money and you can feel good about screwing yourself out of a good deal. :scratch:


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:45 pm 
 

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http://stores.ebay.com/Pipswich-Peddles


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:20 pm 
 

Pipswich wrote:Among other things, the capital costs associated with running a restaurant are significantly higher than those associated with selling on ebay.  That observation aside, I am as happy as anyone else to get a great bargain and if I find a superior bargain in an antiques mall or book store or yard sale, etc. where someone established the price necessary to sustain their business, I am not going to argue with them at all.  

Part of the disagreement of opinion here is one of relative perspective and it perhaps results from my unwillingness to define ebay as an auction platform rather than a communication vehicle.  We use ebay (and collectors forums) as platforms to build relationships with those who buy and sell items of interest to us.  With no willing partners, there is no sustained business or collecting.  The rogue 99c deal on ebay is far less important to me than the potential to acquire the things I desire at a fair price or to dispose of the things I no longer want at a fair price.  

You might be shocked at how responsive sellers can be if they decide to trust you.  Offering to pay a little more for shipping because they miscalculated or emailing them about buying five or six items that didn't sell in the previous week and asking them to combine shipping, then etc. can often yield good relationships for both parties.  If I treated every transaction as an unequal battle of me trying to get the lowest price and the seller trying to get the highest... I know my collections would take longer and be more expensive to assemble.

Edit:  I am going to try to bow out of this discussion as I feel I have made my position clear enough for the time being.




Does this stance include negotiating hugely undervalued BINS as well?



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Post Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:21 pm 
 

Good points from lots of people.  I realize I am hopping in late here, but my sales have only been moderately lower.  The number of overseas buyers has dropped dramatically however.  The dollar is strong and my prices are pushing out even some of the collectors with cash to burn.  I'd say my sales are 15% lower.  Noticeable, but not alarming to me.

I don't worry about the sales price of an individual item too much.  I usually sell twenty to thirty items a week, and I care more about the average sales price of similarly valuable items.  I also don't usually sell really valuable items.  Most of my items sell in the $4.00 to $9.00 range.

I start all my auctions at 99 cents.  It's a risk, but most of the time it attracts so much interest, it all works out.  

I also stop selling by May or earlier.  I lose my Powerseller status, but that's not that big a deal anyway.  It also keeps the IRS off my tail by only selling half the year.

Anyway, I hope this adds to the discussion.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:09 am 
 

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http://stores.ebay.com/Pipswich-Peddles


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:22 am 
 

Pipswich wrote:I love undervalued BIN's as much as anyone.  I concern is primarily for those that are in business to earn a living or collectors chosing to or having to downsize collections while struggling with the economy, ebays prices and all the issues that have been discussed here ad nauseum.  Random people who decide to put a price on their stuff instead of an auction listing and who are simply moving it along, but clearly not earning a living at it aren't going to be viable business partners in the future and if I don't buy deals like that one... someone else here will.  They have decided what they want to get for their stuff and who am I to argue.  I have no obligation to them, nor significant potential for an ongoing relationship.  I mean, heck, I am not gonna turn down a shrinkwrapped module at the flea for a buck when the vendor bought it for a dime and chose his own profit.




You didn't just *find* that deal, you negotiated it, I can tell. That auction was up a full 5 hours before the seller "revised it" and you snapped it up within 3 minutes(2 minutes and 3 seconds to be precise) of the BIN addition revision by the seller:





http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0010555353





That lot was worth likely 3 times that value it went for if the seller would not have been convinced to put a BIN on it.  



Personally, I have feelings both ways about negotiating BINs, there certainly is ethical question in regards to it and IMO there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it, I just find it curious that you are going on here about your concern for sellers and at the same time not even 3 months ago, you were negotiating BINs with sellers for at the very least a third of what the auction would have gone for if it was left to stand.


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:41 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:

Does this stance include negotiating hugely undervalued BINS as well?


** expired/removed eBay auction **




You sure are good at this stuff Brian 8O


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:46 am 
 

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http://stores.ebay.com/Pipswich-Peddles


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:55 am 
 

Pipswich wrote:Well, you know something I don't and that my emails don't reflect regarding "negotiating' that one.


Just to be clear, you are going to go with, "you just happened to get REALLY lucky in your searches" so much so that exactly 2 minutes and 3 seconds from a seller who coincidentally decided to place a BIN on his auction 5 hours after it started, you found it and bought it?


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Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:59 am 
 

Blackmoor wrote:You sure are good at this stuff Brian 8O

seconded
Pipswich wrote:I love undervalued BIN's as much as anyone.

disagree as That isn't good for the seller, they are better off not selling at all.
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:21 am 
 

! everyone loves cake!


Pipswich Peddles (and trades) for his collection!  
http://stores.ebay.com/Pipswich-Peddles


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