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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:22 pm

deimos3428 wrote:I was under the impression it was the 7th+ (using your terminology, not Acaeum's)...is this not correct? That is, are there 7th+ prints both with and without this inversion?

If so, then we need to sort out the sequence again.

If not, this is just another feature of the 7th+ and no re-ordering is required.

Both of the books I have fall into the 7th+ terminology (page 127 numbered, newer modules listed, no perforations or listing about removing the tables, etc), except that one does have the inverted art.

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:48 pm

misterspock wrote:
Both of the books I have fall into the 7th+ terminology (page 127 numbered, newer modules listed, no perforations or listing about removing the tables, etc), except that one does have the inverted art.

Mike.

Yes. I have 7th+ prints with normal art and inverted art also.

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:51 pm

misterspock wrote:
Both of the books I have fall into the 7th+ terminology (page 127 numbered, newer modules listed, no perforations or listing about removing the tables, etc), except that one does have the inverted art.

Mike.

OK, so there are now Three 7th printings?
One 7th, one 7th+, and this new variant of the 7th+, being the 7th+x2?

Why not 7a, 7b, and 7c?

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:32 pm

Aneoth wrote:
OK, so there are now Three 7th printings?
One 7th, one 7th+, and this new variant of the 7th+, being the 7th+x2?

Why not 7a, 7b, and 7c?

With the exception of perhaps the OD&D sets, I think we should probably start to consider doing away with the "+", "Alpha, Beta, Gamma, etc.) and the "true" printing designations. The only reason I think it might be okay for the OD&D sets is because there is residual evidence that left over books were sometimes put into later printing box sets which means there was some crossbreeding done by TSR back in the day. Even then though, realistically, it might be best to do away with those too, as it would be almost impossible to actually confirm if someone purchased a set that way or just "frankensteined" it themselves.

All the hardcovers, modules and whatnot with the exception of the recalled DMG are all actually in fact seperate printings and they should be designated as such. I know it would probably be a pain in the ass for Scott to make all those changes, but in the long run, I think it would be best for the site.

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:19 pm

bclarkie wrote:All the hardcovers, modules and whatnot with the exception of the recalled DMG are all actually in fact seperate printings and they should be designated as such. I know it would probably be a pain in the ass for Scott to make all those changes, but in the long run, I think it would be best for the site.

The only problem with that is that for the PHB, you've got more than 4 printings between the 6th printing (the first one with the words "6th printing" in it) and the 11th (the one with the words "11th printing" in it).

So you've either got to sandwich them all in-between with suffixes like we're doing now, or have the 17th-something printing be the one that states "11th printing" in it.

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:23 pm

bclarkie wrote:
All the hardcovers, modules and whatnot with the exception of the recalled DMG are all actually in fact seperate printings and they should be designated as such. I know it would probably be a pain in the ass for Scott to make all those changes, but in the long run, I think it would be best for the site.

I disagree. The PHB is a perfect example of why. There is a stretch after the 6th print which continue to state 6th print. The next actual printing change on the copy right page is the 11th printing. There are so many in between there that we could not number them sequentially without renumbering the 11th print as something else - like 14th. That would lead to a lot more confusion I think.

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:27 pm

LOL. You beat me to it Deimos. Kinda scary also

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:32 pm

Does anyone know why they decided to update the printing to 11th print and how they decided to call it 11?

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:51 pm

deimos3428 wrote:The only problem with that is that for the PHB, you've got more than 4 printings between the 6th printing (the first one with the words "6th printing" in it) and the 11th (the one with the words "11th printing" in it).

So you've either got to sandwich them all in-between with suffixes like we're doing now, or have the 17th-something printing be the one that states "11th printing" in it.

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I disagree. The PHB is a perfect example of why. There is a stretch after the 6th print which continue to state 6th print. The next actual printing change on the copy right page is the 11th printing. There are so many in between there that we could not number them sequentially without renumbering the 11th print as something else - like 14th. That would lead to a lot more confusion I think.

Mike

Ugh, its been awhile since I took a good look at the Hardcover pages on here, there are a lot more "printings" listed in there than the last time I looked.

It's an even bigger mess now than I remembered it being. Which I guess brings us all to Mark's point:

Mars wrote:Does anyone know why they decided to update the printing to 11th print and how they decided to call it 11?

Good question. The way it looks, it's almost as if they pulled a number out of thin air or perhaps relied on someone's apparently faulty memory when deciding what designation of what the printing was supposed to be. Maybe Frank could shed some light on the subject.

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:08 am

As I read this thread I was thinking "Wow, I wonder how many types of print variations may have occured out there?". It got me scouring some of the old dusty tomes and comparing hehehe.

It does beg the question..."How rare an item are we talking about print run wise?"

Just looking at the few that have already popped up it seems like we might be talking about a relatively common run, but still it got the juices flowing when I pulled out my seventh (and was disappointed hehehe). =)

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:16 am

MadMaligor wrote:As I read this thread I was thinking "Wow, I wonder how many types of print variations may have occured out there?". It got me scouring some of the old dusty tomes and comparing hehehe.

It does beg the question..."How rare an item are we talking about print run wise?"

Just looking at the few that have already popped up it seems like we might be talking about a relatively common run, but still it got the juices flowing when I pulled out my seventh (and was disappointed hehehe). =)

Mal.

Found one the other day in a gaming shop. I would guess they're not very rare, just unnoticed.

If anybody desperately wants it, I'll pick it up and you can have it at my cost + shipping. I think they wanted something crazy like $30 for it and it was roughly VG shape, though. (Or heck, just go to Grey Region in Toronto and get it yourself...coupla blocks North of Yonge and College.)

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:53 pm

Just a note that the image on page 108 of my 6th+ printing is reversed from the image on page 108 of my 5th printing PHB.

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:59 pm

The list on the Rulebooks page here hasn't been updated since we noticed the reverse art issue (among other things).
http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/setpages/phb.html

I can't quite remember where we were at in the process to provide updated information to the site administrator (Foulfoot) for the next general site update, but there's another thread or two that discusses possible ways we can distinguish more of the prints

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