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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:24 pm 
 

- I immediately contacted the seller to advise that these mags aren't worth 1/4 what they sold for and would he be willing to do a partial refund for any amount he chose.
not worth 1/4 probably more like 1/2 or 2/3

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:54 pm 
 

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:-
not worth 1/4 probably more like 1/2 or 2/3


You read it one way, I'll read it another:

Poor (PR):  ...the cover removed, etc...

Fair (FR):  ...Pages may be detached... ...or the cover loose from a staple-bound book...  The item is still complete (or mostly complete) and useable.

Good (GD):  ...On staple-bound books, the cover can be separated from the staples (staple pulls)... and on perfect-bound books, some pages may be loose from the binding....

Any one of the those 3 grades fits a mag with no staples...

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:19 pm 
 

A separated cover is Good? Pretty generous. Then again, I am a strict grader.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:33 pm 
 

- You read it one way, I'll read it another:
not reading any way just going by price with or without staples for likes of wee warriors seen similar prices. not seen dragon #1 sell with staples removed but otherwise fine
grades listed include damage to paper would need repaired + staples replaced. if only staples missing can be replaced with no further damage. heavy tear to cover is much more serious to most collectors and still does not reduce value to less than 1/4. do not think many people pay $275 for staples + $75 for magazine

  


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:57 pm 
 

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:- You read it one way, I'll read it another:
not reading any way just going by price with or without staples for likes of wee warriors seen similar prices. not seen dragon #1 sell with staples removed but otherwise fine
grades listed include damage to paper would need repaired + staples replaced. if only staples missing can be replaced with no further damage. heavy tear to cover is much more serious to most collectors and still does not reduce value to less than 1/4. do not think many people pay $275 for staples + $75 for magazine


I think that it depends heavily on what is seperated.  I can speak only for myslef but I don't mind maps seperated but would have a problem with anything else.  I would grade maps seperated per acaeum, any item that has something other than maps seperated would probably be instantly Poor/Damaged.  Just my .02.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:13 pm 
 

- I think that it depends heavily on what is seperated.  I can speak only for myslef but I don't mind maps seperated but would have a problem with anything else.  I would grade maps seperated per acaeum, any item that has something other than maps seperated would probably be instantly Poor/Damaged.  Just my .02

yes but even major problem missing pages still do not reduce value much in some auctions  
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use acaeum grading if you want most do not. actual estimate value http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/rares.html does not match well with ebay price for rare items with larger faults. exception is mold or mildew which kills value dead

+ still do not personally think missing staples = end of world :) :)

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:30 pm 
 

All this talk about throwing away perfectly useful Dragon's gives me the willies.

I like owning a decent copy of a module or magazine, complete and legible, but I don't care if it is in perfect shape or not and shrinkwrap would be useless (Like sealing a comic in a plastic holder so that it can never ever be read again).

I like copies that have notes and maps changes. I collect modules that have been used, preferably with notes. For me the history of the module makes it more valuable, not less.

I like having a refrence copy that I have highlighted and used for indexing.

I like to have another copy with my own notes in it with changes and additions. One for each time I run a campaign with my DM copy of the character sheets.

I just don't get the sealed in plastic, never to be opened, never to be used, collectible. It reminds me of this old episode of MASH where they are trying to get some kind of baterial incubator machine and the supply sergeant has three, never used, but doesn't want to let them have one because then he would have only two.

So, before anyone throws out old *but not dirty, wet or musty, magazines or modules how about offering them up for people here. I wouldn't mind extra copies of certain articles or some of the comics from the back of old Dragons. like Worrmy or Fineous Fingers. There were some cool old advertisements too, and some inetrior artwork. I just hate to hear about all these thing being trashed when they could be saved and appreciated.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:36 pm 
 

- I just don't get the sealed in plastic, never to be opened, never to be used, collectible
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- So, before anyone throws out old *but not dirty, wet or musty, magazines or modules how about offering them up for people here. I wouldn't mind extra copies of certain articles or some of the comics from the back of old Dragons. like Worrmy or Fineous Fingers. There were some cool old advertisements too, and some inetrior artwork. I just hate to hear about all these thing being trashed when they could be saved and appreciated
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:02 pm 
 

I believe I would have just found some staples that fit and inserted them into the magazines.  It can be done.

I can see myself showing Dragons 1 though 6 to a friend and saying, "Yeah, but they suck because the staples aren't original."  :P

I think I could live with that.

Mark  8)


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:26 pm 
 

- I believe I would have just found some staples that fit and inserted them into the magazines.  It can be done.
- I can see myself showing Dragons 1 though 6 to a friend and saying, "Yeah, but they suck because the staples aren't original."  :P
* because they came off Dragons 7 to 12?? :o :o
- I think I could live with that.
same here Mark

  


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:07 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:I believe I would have just found some staples that fit and inserted them into the magazines.  It can be done.

I can see myself showing Dragons 1 though 6 to a friend and saying, "Yeah, but they suck because the staples aren't original."  :P

I think I could live with that.

Mark  8)


No doubt, I'd take early Dragons anyday with "new 2007" staples anyday before throwing them, esp. since my earliest issue is in the 30s.

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:41 pm 
 

TheElderEye wrote:
No doubt, I'd take early Dragons anyday with "new 2007" staples anyday before throwing them, esp. since my earliest issue is in the 30s.


Well If they were staple-less and thus non-collectible.  I'd have 3-hole punched them and start a Dragon binder.  I don't think I'd bother putting staples back in.

I really llike reading the old mags but hate ruining collectible copies so I certainly look at them much, much less than I would (I think I've looked at the Dragon 1 I sold maybe 4 times after I bought it not counting looking at it prior to selling on ebay).

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:58 pm 
 

Having had my Dragon #1 destroyed, and not being able to find it since, I'd have loved to have had the hope to have even thought I could have gotten one. Alas, the dream must remain a dream... which is why I'm not in a rush to get it. Those people who have them won't get rid of them, and the ones who have too many throw them away. :(


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:14 pm 
 

Aren't there lots of spells which require the user to sacrifice some sort of valuable object? Dedicating Dragons 1-5 to the gods should by my calculations generate enough mana points to destroy a medium-sized walled city.

Gentlemen of the council take heed. Great & powerful magics have been loosed by one of our number. Who can tell if any of us has the power to control it once free? Let us hope the mage ScketreWhisp was strong enough to control the demon or we shall all rue the day.

  
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