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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:55 am 
 

I agree.  Still don't want to pay the ridiculous price ST1 goes for.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:41 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:

I suspect that at some point in the next 50 years, as the original RPG generation and a couple subsequent ones give way to the children of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th-edition players, the demand for more obscure D&D items will plummet, along with prices for them. Sure, there will always be some erudite collectors who would love to own a Jade Hare or whatever, but rather than numbering in the hundreds they'll number in the half-dozens or less. (On the other hand, I suspect woodgrain sets will always command a premium.)


i think youre about right with that. i think thats what will happen too. there will always be a collector of some sort, relating to D&D memorabilia in 50+ years time, but value will still retain IF there is someone there who actually wants the stuff, and the person selling knows this.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:18 pm 
 

dbartman wrote:I agree.  Still don't want to pay the ridiculous price ST1 goes for.


Agreed, I wont buy one but for the money it often goes for I would rather have a Minty Fazzlewood plus a Minty 1st Print Vampire Queen any day, PLUS another rare, like a Dwarven Glory 4th print or whatever....


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:59 pm 
 

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Blech!  I have no desire for a  Fazzle.  At least ST1 has some cache, being an actual TSR product release.  Plus the entire story about how no one wanted one, the connection to the UK garden fair, etc makes at least a pretty interesting history for the item.

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I don't know. I am pretty much on the opposite side of the fence on this one. Fazzle at least was made into a real module. ST1 has smaller roots in my mind. A special release of a module that no one freaking bought and only distributed outside the U.S.
And Fazzle is much older. That has to count for something. Fazzle has real history in its corner. I am afraid that ST1 does not share the cache of Fazzle or any other big dollar modules.
It is one of those rare items that gains its value because it sucked.


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:20 pm 
 

Kind of like "Under the Storm Giants' Castle?"

Oh, wait. This isn't the NON-TSR thread.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:11 pm 
 

Why is Fazzle worth anything?

Simple:  Limited release, tournament module, later published for mainstream consumption (gem and the staff).  It is like a prepub release and this makes it instantly desirable to collectors like me and others.

Why is ST1 worth anything?

Simple:  Limited release, published only in the UK; it is an official release as well making it the rarest published TSR module.

There is a simple formula here  :)

As a collector I want every published piece that TSR produced, this is my goal.  I am sure that there are many on this site that share that goal.

Are these worth the prices they fetch on ebay?
Of course they are, this cannot be disputed in the least.  If these items were not worth the prices on Ebay they never would have sold in the first place.


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:51 pm 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:Like the Deities & Demigods Cyclopedia 1st and 2nd prints.
Yes the Chtulhu and other (rumored to be recalled) mythoi rock, but still...
There are no less than 10,000 copies of each printing... STILL in circulation!


I can go on E-Bay and find up to 10 copies and seldom less than 5 copies with squids in them for sale almost any day of the year... Year after year.
And prices seem to stay high for them for the most part.
Even beat up copies sell for over $50 on a VERY regular basis.
Present company included... 8)

What other examples can you name?


Hey Gnat,

Interesting topic.
How about the D&D Rules Cyclopedia?

Now I don't have anything against the book, and personally I love the fact that all the information I need is in one volume.
Also managed to snag a mint copy of it on Ebay for about US$25.00 not including shipping to Hong Kong... :)
Now I want to find a beat up copy for reading. :)

But how many copies of this book are in circulation that it can command a price of around US$50 to 80 for even a well used copy?

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:31 pm 
 

The information I got on the likely Current Circulation for the DDG was not some magic spell I cast.
I read that in the Acaeum's own pages regarding the DDG.
I even posted the exact qoute from that page in that post.

As for The Rules Cyclopedia, I also find that book VERY useful useable in playing 2nd edition AD&D...
I agree the prices for them have rocketed to the stratosphere over the past year or so.
Do not know why though.
Just glad I got a copy before all that happened.
I too would like to get another though... just not likely.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:17 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:I suspect that at some point in the next 50 years the demand for more obscure D&D items will plummet, along with prices for them.




Some people just dont want that to happen.




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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:08 am 
 

Ah, I don't think the bottom is gonna drop out anytime soon, and I could be totally wrong :). I think there'll even be several more upsurges like I think we've seen since Gygax's passing. When whoever owns the license in 2024 releases the "50th Anniversary Edition" I'd wager prices for old stuff will go through the roof for a year or two. But anybody can prognosticate, and only time will tell. What I can say with some confidence is that crimsonpermanentassurance's items are little overpriced :).

  

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:11 am 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:
Agreed, I wont buy one but for the money it often goes for I would rather have a Minty Fazzlewood plus a Minty 1st Print Vampire Queen any day, PLUS another rare, like a Dwarven Glory 4th print or whatever....


I know I'll get crucified for saying this, but I was shocked when I finally saw PotVQ for myself because it's not worth what people are now paying for it IMO.  I purchased one of the reprints, and I'm glad I did, but mostly because I turned around quickly and sold it for a nice profit.

PotVQ was fascinating because I could tell I was looking back in time.  The module was rudimentary, but functional.  The intro was short but interesting.  The room descriptions were spartan.  I have rarely seen two maps for each level, one without secret passages/rooms and one with everything revealed, and I liked that.  Still, there were lots of thin walls.  All the basics of a modern module were there all together.  And even though it was primarily a hack & slash adventure as presented, there was a theme to everything and usually some rationale for its inclusion.  However, I believe it would take a skilled DM to make this adventure interesting for the non-hack-n-slash/thinking player.

After I finished reading it, I was thinking, "The emperor has no clothes!"  I guess I just don't value holding history as much as I value practical worth.  To me, a great module is something like Ravenloft, Tomb of Horrors, or even Night's Dark Terror.   I realize these were written much later, and the authors were able to build on the template of adventures like PotVQ, but again, I value things I use more than things that are historical.  And to say this to a bunch of people who value history so highly is heretical.   :oops:   Sorry.   :?


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:00 am 
 

PotVQ is valuable due to its significance.  It is the first TSR distributed module and was very successful.

This module (along with Judges Guild stuff) helped to convince Gary and the boys that this type material would be viable to make money and in essence build the brand.

Is PotVQ quality stuff?  Nope, it is a few maps and hack and slash encounters.  Same as Dwarven Glory.  Still both are very important modules and part of the history of this great game.

Once again there is "opinion's" on its value.  Opinion or not, PotVQ is valuable.  Prices on ebay reflect that, collectors of D&D stuff want it, nice copies are rare.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:09 am 
 

It seems fairly consistent across the entire price spectrum, from cheap to tons o' bucks: mostly crap to mediocre with a few gems.

Spending more should get you something rarer/more desirable, but quality doesn't seem to have a lot to do with it.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:14 am 
 

Blackmoor wrote:This module (along with Judges Guild stuff) helped to convince Gary and the boys that this type material would be viable to make money and in essence build the brand.

Judges Guild and perhaps some design considerations from Paul Jaquays and others on the side moreso than anything Wee Warriors produced (who wants to be photocopying missing pages?).

Other people built the brand for TSR: Gary himself stated that he was more than happy just to sell a couple thousand rulesets, regardless of that later retconned 50,000 quote.
Money spent on other projects could have easily been diverted to D&D if that was their big shot.

Blackmoor wrote:Is PotVQ quality stuff?  Nope, it is a few maps and hack and slash encounters.  Same as Dwarven Glory.  Still both are very important modules and part of the history of this great game.

Whatever happened to the trilogy backstory? :)


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:17 am 
 

I also never have owned a so-called real copy of the PotVQ, but I purchased two copies of the reprints produced through the NTRPGCON last year at the 2010 Convention.
And I am very glad that I did too.

Honestly Ben I do not dissagree with much of anything you said about PotVQ.
But.... IMO your arguments FOR the module give reasoning FOR the higher price for this item.

PotVQ was fascinating because I could tell I was looking back in time. The module was rudimentary, but functional. The intro was short but interesting. The room descriptions were spartan. I have rarely seen two maps for each level, one without secret passages/rooms and one with everything revealed, and I liked that. Still, there were lots of thin walls. All the basics of a modern module were there all together. And even though it was primarily a hack & slash adventure as presented, there was a theme to everything and usually some rationale for its inclusion.

It was ground breaking in its very existence.
And as Blackmoor stated, it was the first RPG Module TSR mass produced and basically gave birth to the mass-production of the RPG Module.

I enjoy having my copies of PotVQs enough that I recently traded a tough to find and fairly valuable Box Set to get yet another copy of the PotVQ reprint plus another item from a fellow Acaeum member overseas... 8)

I might eventually sell one of them, but it wont be as easy for me to do so as it was for you.  :)


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:18 am 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:Agreed, I wont buy one but for the money it often goes for I would rather have a Minty Fazzlewood plus a Minty 1st Print Vampire Queen any day, PLUS another rare, like a Dwarven Glory 4th print or whatever....

Good luck getting those for a ST1; how many "Minty 1st Print PotVQ"s are there in existence? Two or three vaguely close, perhaps...
And as for that Dwarven Glory 4th print, I think someone will have to rewrite the listing, first. ;)


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:22 am 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:I enjoy having my copies of PotVQs enough that I recently traded a tough to find and fairly valuable Box Set to get yet another copy of the PotVQ reprint plus another item from a fellow Acaeum member overseas... 8)

I might eventually sell one of them, but it wont be as easy for me to do so as it was for you.  :)

Buying ten copies was a bad move, to be honest, since having given several away I'd more or less promised that the other two reprints would follow. Oops... :?

Oh, and back on (your own) topic;
Gnat the Beggar wrote:Like the Deities & Demigods Cyclopedia 1st and 2nd prints.
Yes the Chtulhu and other (rumored to be recalled) mythoi rock, but still...
There are no less than 10,000 copies of each printing... STILL in circulation!


I can go on E-Bay and find up to 10 copies and seldom less than 5 copies with squids in them for sale almost any day of the year... Year after year.
And prices seem to stay high for them for the most part.
Even beat up copies sell for over $50 on a VERY regular basis.
Present company included... 8)

What other examples can you name?

OCEs, of course. Deservedly so, perhaps.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:24 am 
 

faro wrote:Good luck getting those for a ST1; how many "Minty 1st Print PotVQ"s are there in existence? Two or three vaguely close, perhaps...
And as for that Dwarven Glory 4th print, I think someone will have to rewrite the listing, first. ;)


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I meant 3rd print on the Dwarven Glory of course and I would settle for a VF or better copy of PotVQ too. :lol:

And my use of the word Minty was meant to cover a range from Fine to Mint... though one would have to know my past use of the term to understand that.... so sorry about that.

And I know one person very close to where I live who has at least 3 or 4 copies or PotVQ that easily fit into that grade range.
Actually 2 of them could be NM... I would have to look at them again to be sure though.


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