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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:29 pm 
 

I for one appreciate that it must be a monumental task, and that the problems are not of your (or Joe's) creation, but rather a job that you are trying to tackle to the best of your ability. Perhaps occasional progress updates as you hit milestones in the process (e.g., "We have all AD&D 1st edition modules regraded!", or "Everything Shadowrun is now accurately graded.") would help allay future trepidation. Just a thought.

EDIT: Also, it's probably not just the grading issue that people here are somewhat uncomfortable with. I've actually had many more things arrive from one of your competitors (who shall remain nameless) with missing pieces, inaccurate grading, i.e. problems. The difference I think is that every time I've had to contact them, the same person responds to the e-mail, and it's someone who is well known to be knowledgeable about the product. Perhaps a single person fielding complaints/issues for RPGs would be a good idea?

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:35 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:
That is a shame. In a collectors world like this, it is probably the toughest to keep happy and if it goes wrong, word spreads quickly.

However, I dont doubt that you have a massive inventory and make a huge amount of happy sales each day.

Just seems that the collectors here get it bad.


Unfortunately nobody really remembers when everything that is supposed to go right does, they only ever remember when it goes bad.  People are human and there are occasional errors but we try and fix them.  I have not been around here for very long but when was the last major error/how bad was it? And how often did they happen?

MetamorphosisSigma: That sounds doable.  Any products that people would like to see re-graded?

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:39 pm 
 

I get the impression it is a mixed bunch. Some are happy (certainly on the modern items), whereas the older items don't score well.

It also seems that fewer collectors buy, as its so hit & miss on quality etc.

I'd have been a buyer in previous months no doubt, but the problems highlighted here over the past 18 months and the shipping costs (at the last time I asked) to the UK, kills it dead.


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:56 pm 
 

For myself, I can only say that I mostly buy AD&D modules and hardcovers, and Dragon magazines (I'm always looking to "trade up" on condition), but I have no other specific requests for regrading. Maybe starting with the higher cost vintage items would be best. Especially since you use stock photos, I'd feel a whole lot more comfortable buying a $40 magazine (just for instance) if I were absolutely confident that VF or NM means exactly that.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:16 pm 
 

I thought we had fairly reasonable shipping to the UK if you order from the site. I know Ebay screws shipping up a lot if you are trying to order from there.  

As for the conditions, I want to hear everyones definitions for the different conditions so I can make sure we are doing it right.  I was thinking about making videos where we examine the different conditions so people can actually see what we mean when we say things. I think that would go a long way in letting people know what they are dealing with.  The individual photo issue is one that I don't think we can fix, unfortunately.  We have a team that just takes photos of things and they constantly have work to do.  We would have to hire a couple people if we wanted to display individual photos.  We aren't THAT big of a company yet :P

  

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:32 pm 
 

Well, you've come to right place for condition grading guidelines... Some have quibbles with some aspects and terminology (for instance, books and games are not "minted", haha), but it's as good as any and better than most (with examples/pictures!):

http://www.acaeum.com/frontdesk/grading.html

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:43 pm 
 

Fair, I don't think either of those VF's would qualify as VF's under my grading scale. There are creases in the spine in multiple places along with a fair amount of wear. I would put them both as fine. I agree for the most part with definitions. I don't think I would grade anything as NM if I noticed there was writing in it at all but its hard to go through all the pages and catch a tiny bit. I also hate staple rust, especially if color has gotten anywhere on the pages.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:56 pm 
 

Jchriddy wrote:I thought we had fairly reasonable shipping to the UK if you order from the site. I know Ebay screws shipping up a lot if you are trying to order from there.  


I tend to agree, I bought one of the big DCC 4E packs and found s&h to UK still made this a good deal.

Just did a quick check on starter pack red box, T&T: cheapest $26.26 to UK, Noble Knight: $14.23.

I must admit, the s&h prices to UK make it very unlikely that I'll go to T&T first unless I hear of a particularly good deal.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:03 pm 
 

Do you know how he ships it?

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:07 pm 
 

USPS International Surface Air Lift

Normally I've waited 1-2 weeks (although it claims 14-60 days).  

Although other faster deliveries are available at similar prices to T&T, it's nice to have the choice when time is not an issue.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:20 pm 
 

That sounds outlandish, I will definitely look into that.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:28 pm 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:Well, you've come to right place for condition grading guidelines... Some have quibbles with some aspects and terminology (for instance, books and games are not "minted", haha), but it's as good as any and better than most (with examples/pictures!):

http://www.acaeum.com/frontdesk/grading.html

*looks at the link for grading, shakes my head, and walks away*



  

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:46 pm 
 

Jchriddy wrote:That sounds outlandish, I will definitely look into that.

Hiya, Marshall!

Outlandish; how so? :)
Aaron has the upper hand on international purchases for new and non "premium rated" material, no doubt, and USPS ISAL (which rarely takes more than 7-10 days in my experience) is a key factor in that.

I can't comment so much on T&T grading experiences, although in some cases completeness has been an issue; e.g. the relisted 2nd DG http://www.trollandtoad.com/p205274.html may still be the copy with missing maps, despite this having been flagged several times.
Grading is horribly subjective, even with pics (or vids), and it's not easy to try to shoehorn a preferred-to-most-collectors "list all defects" approach into the perceived requirements for fixed grading slots in ecommerce solutions.

Aside from those two matters, the main personal T&T concerns in the past have been communications between various departments/individuals/individuals related to the business (one purchase still "in space" from several years ago on that score which I pretty much had to give up on) and what I'd label as sharp practice in deliberately leaving the price low on out of stock goods, only to increase that when they're back in stock again, having potentially(?) "bought cheap".

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:51 pm 
 

I bought many times near T&T and i must admit all were very bad experiences :
* one-tenth among bought items SUDDENLY vanished from stock to suddenly reappear some weeks later ...
* i received a "shrinked" module sold as MINT/New who was in fact a second-hand shrinked VERY GOOD + / FINE module
* i was always asking for Priority Mail International F.R.B. 1 or 2 shipment but always received "NO" as answers, despite the fact it is fully trackable
* their customer service is unable to answer questions with efficiency about missing items within the package :evil:

And my last experience was when my computer crashed some months ago just before paying for both DL1-8 and DL9-16 miniature boxed sets : the first for $59.99 and the second for $49.99

It took me 6 days to repair my computer : motherboard and many other components were K.O.

When i returned to my T&T account, my order was canceled : i understand this, of course.

BUT WHAT I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND IS THIS : WHY SELLING PRICES SUDDENLY RAISED TO $99.99 EACH ?

Sorry but while T&T act like this i will continue to say to all my friends :

"don't buy from T&T : they use stock photos, they lie about grading and don't describe defective parts, and when you're unable to pay in less than 5 days prices go up in an outrageous manner >>> let's go buying near NOBLE KNIGHT GAMES !!!!"
End of story.
Sorry but you have earned this complain.

Something to say about this ? No answer ?

BTW, USPS M-BAG/ISAL from Aaron Leeder to France is usually 6 weeks long : each time i received packages within a large plastic bag as a M-BAG in 40 to 45 days after purchase.


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:50 pm 
 

My experiences with T&T have been good for the most part.  The packaging could have been better, but that seems to be a shortcoming of some the bigger sellers/resellers.  They can tend to lose some of the personal accountability and caring that would be more associated with someone who either owns or collects the items they are selling.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:01 pm 
 

lurker_above wrote:I bought many times near T&T and i must admit all were very bad experiences :
* one-tenth among bought items SUDDENLY vanished from stock to suddenly reappear some weeks later ...
* i received a "shrinked" module sold as MINT/New who was in fact a second-hand shrinked VERY GOOD + / FINE module
* i was always asking for Priority Mail International F.R.B. 1 or 2 shipment but always received "NO" as answers, despite the fact it is fully trackable
* their customer service is unable to answer questions with efficiency about missing items within the package :evil:

And my last experience was when my computer crashed some months ago just before paying for both DL1-8 and DL9-16 miniature boxed sets : the first for $59.99 and the second for $49.99

It took me 6 days to repair my computer : motherboard K.O.

When i returned to my T&T account, my order was canceled : i understand this, of course.

BUT WHAT I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND IS THIS : WHY BOTH SELLING PRICES SUDDENLY RAISED TO $99.99 EACH ?

Sorry but while T&T act like that (thief ..handler, raising prices ...), i will continue to say to all my friends :

"don't buy from T&T : they use stock photos, they lie about grading and descriptions, and when you're unable to pay in less than 5 days prices go up in an outrageous manner >>> let's go near NOBLE KNIGHT GAMES !!!! ".
End of story.
Sorry but you have earned this complain.

Something to say about this ? No answer ?

BTW, USPS M-BAG/ISAL from Aaron Leeder to France is usually 6 weeks long : each time i received packages within a large plastic bag as a M-BAG in 40 to 45 days after purchase.


For the Mini DL mods I repriced them after all 4 of them sold out within a few hours of being on the site, I bought them all at Origins and I figured it was to low since they sold out so fast, which they were, since they sell for over 100. Believe Intelligator sold his last ones for 125. Didn't have a chance to price them before they got onto the site, we got back from the show and I was then moving into our distribution and took on new responsibilities. So I repriced them after both of them were on my sales report showing they sold out and adjusted the sale price and buyprice for them and moved on. Didn't even think about them again till you just mentioned it, sorry about your experience with it, but thats what happened with that.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:26 pm 
 

The worst thing i saw was a sale from UK :(
4 boxed sets sent "as is", without paper/bubblewrap or what else : only with brown tape all around to maintain them together and a paper taped with my address on it.  8O
Of course i refused "that thing", told the postman to send it back, negged the seller and proceed to a credit card chargeback, just for the seller to think about it each time he packs new items.

:arrow : as a collector, i hate sellers who think "our packages are fully insured (by Royal Mail or parcelforce) so let it be : in case it is damaged, i will get refund for the buyer" : they always forget buyers may leave -FBs based on packaging quality.

Hopefully for me, packages from T&T were all well-wrapped ... sometimes too much !


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Post Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:06 am 
 

Crimsonspire wrote:

For the Mini DL mods I repriced them after all 4 of them sold out within a few hours of being on the site, I bought them all at Origins and I figured it was to low since they sold out so fast, which they were, since they sell for over 100. Believe Intelligator sold his last ones for 125. Didn't have a chance to price them before they got onto the site, we got back from the show and I was then moving into our distribution and took on new responsibilities. So I repriced them after both of them were on my sales report showing they sold out and adjusted the sale price and buyprice for them and moved on. Didn't even think about them again till you just mentioned it, sorry about your experience with it, but thats what happened with that.




Babbles ! Of course you will always have good answers to all of our bad experiences with T&T.

:arrow: in fact, your company just wanted to make more money on them !



This is not the first time T&T act this way :arrow: each time a buyer forget to pay during the 5 days time your prices go up : this is the "american way of life & business" ... clearly understandable ... but not forgetable :twisted:



For your information hopefully i was very happy to have been fu**ed by YOU (R BUSINESS PRACTICE)  because i purchased both of them on ebay.co.uk for less than £60 for the whole (£42 for DL1-8 and £12.50 for DL9-16) this summer in NEAR MINT condition and the seller was gentle enough to send them using www.parcel2go.com/parcelforce 48H, ie. £16.44 for a 5 Kg package full of AD&D modules which were also in your stuff !!! ;o))



I WILL NEVER BUY AGAIN FROM T&T : TOO MANY BAD EXPERIENCES IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, and i will continue to recommend friends to purchase items near Aaron Leeder : at least he is ok to ship items in Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelopes, M-BAG/ISAL or FRB 1 or 2.



BTW : it is trully unbelievable that you, as an american T&T customer, know less about way to ship items abroad than UK or french beings  

:o



Funny you didn't answer to the part of my complain concerning your negative answer concerning shipping other than First Mail :roll:



Please just admit your mistakes, and never do them again : unfortunately for your company, shrinking used items to raise selling price is a very bad practice, especially when removing your shrink prooves the item is incomplete. T&T is well known for that.

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For your information, M-BAGs prices are available also from France to worldwide :



* Tarif (euro) pour livres et brochures (Quote for books & printed matters)



.............. Europe ......... All

............ and North ..... other

............... Africa ..... countries



Areas : ..... 1-2 ........ 3-4-5-6



20 g ........ 0,20 € ........ 0,34 €

50 g ........ 0,30 € ........ 0,50 €

100 g ...... 0,46 € ........ 0,76 €

250 g ...... 0,87 € ........ 1,45 €

500 g ...... 1,28 € ........ 2,13 €

1 kg ........ 2,47 € ........ 4,12 €

2 kg ........ 3,29 € ........ 5,49 €

3 kg ........ 4,57 € ........ 7,62 €

4 kg ........ 6,40 € ...... 10,67 €

5 kg ........ 8,23 € ...... 13,72 €



Notes : 1kg = ~2.2 lbs ; today 2010/09/22, $1.00 = ~0.752 euro

  
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