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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:45 am 
 

Badmike wrote:"Why did we have to drop the bomb on Japan?  What's the worst thing that could have happened if we had just let them be?."
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Let's say the Allies had just unilaterally declared peace with Japan in late 1945 without an invasion or any other military action agains them...just stopped.  

Let's even assume that the Japanese had somehow released the hundreds of thousands of Allied prisoners and war captives they were holding...and our guys just held in place and watched without firing another weapon...

The result would have been tragedy on an Asia-wide scale.  We're talking deaths in the tens upon tens of millions...a huge proportion of that in Japan alone.

People don't study their history.  

They think they know things, but...oh God...they don't.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:11 am 
 

I thought your original post was good too  :wink:


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:15 am 
 

Rabbit_67 wrote:I was proud of him.   :D


Awesome!

I will take you up on your offer sometime. She was exposed to a nutjob two years ago who convinced her that every polar bear on the planet would be dead by now. I took six months to show her that "assumption" was simply wrong. Now she is really ticked off about the whole thing. Ironically, her science teacher also believes that man-made global warming is, in general, a complete hoax.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:30 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:
Awesome!

I will take you up on your offer sometime. She was exposed to a nutjob two years ago who convinced her that every polar bear on the planet would be dead by now. I took six months to show her that "assumption" was simply wrong. Now she is really ticked off about the whole thing. Ironically, her science teacher also believes that man-made global warming is, in general, a complete hoax.


I'll probably regret this, but...

I'm open to listening to the arguments to be made for the case that global warming is not caused by man-made carbon emissions (or at least not solely). After all, volcanoes put out lots of CO2 also. But a "complete hoax"? That sounds a bit extreme.

Just for the record, I am not a global warming "believer", so I'm really not trying to bait you. But "belief" on either side of the debate is irrelevant; conclusions of this sort should be based on science, not politics, of course.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:37 am 
 

Irregardless of the validity of global warming, fossil fuels are a finite resource and there is nothing wrong with investing in alternative energy source research.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:37 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:conclusions of this sort should be based on science, not politics, of course.


As noted on other recent topics in this thread recently, journalism causes quite a bit of the controversy on its own. Whatever the scientists or politicians say, the journalists will exaggerate it to draw attention. Scientist bias plus politician bias, raised to the power of exponential journalist bias, yields an unintelligible mess.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:39 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:
I'll probably regret this, but...


My "hoax" message is directed at frauds like Al Gore whose movie and book have been debunked - for the most part. The "hoax" is that global warming is going to wipe out the human race in "x" number of years, New York will be under water by 2020 and other "scientific" paranoia.

They have use global warming as a weapon of fear to amass power and money. The worst part about this is that real scientific research into the matter has been "adjusted" to make their points. So is the earth warming or did it warm over the last couple decades? Yes. But is it life-threatening, global catastrophe caused by man? No. That is politics talking. And their solution is for americans to succumb to a liberal agenda based on a belief system disguised as "scientific" fact. Sorry, that is not going to play.

Do we have a responsibility to reduce pollution? Yes, and America pollutes less today than it did 20 years ago. Factory emissions in the U.S. are vastly cleaner than they were in the 70s. Car emissions are vastly cleaner than they were at any other time in history. This has come about as we have improved our technology - naturally.

Alternatives to fossil fuels are a good thing. But let the market do the research and implementation. Nuke plants are a good thing even though the left has consistently delayed and negated our nuclear energy progam in the U.S. France does a better job than we do. That should insult every american, no offense to our French friends. But jamming in wind and solar farms that are horribly inefficient and economically unbalanced is not a solution. Sure, they might make people "feel" better, but economicaly, they are not productive. Give people time and they will create a better mouse trap. That is what america has always done. But the minute you insert politicians, it all goes to hell.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:14 am 
 

Hi,

personally, I think there are arguments on both sides, so the jury is out.

However, any measures to bring down my heating bills are good - just got a new water/heating boiler in - with a $600 grant from the government as a "green" measure :)

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:49 am 
 

Change your font and save the planet!

http://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2010/03/26 ... -your-font

So does this mean that I am an eco-terrorist because I use Brittanic Bold fonts in my emails?  :roll:  :lol:


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:57 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:Hi,

personally, I think there are arguments on both sides, so the jury is out.

However, any measures to bring down my heating bills are good - just got a new water/heating boiler in - with a $600 grant from the government as a "green" measure :)

Cheers,
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LOL, yeah, I had a tankless water heater installed about a year ago, and received a $500 tax credit for it. Problem is, there is little to no cost/energy savings for me, as now I can take an hour long shower whenever I want (and I do want, sometimes). Used to be that the hot water ran out after about 10 minutes. That thing is awesome.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:15 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:
Let's say the Allies had just unilaterally declared peace with Japan in late 1945 without an invasion or any other military action agains them...just stopped.  

Let's even assume that the Japanese had somehow released the hundreds of thousands of Allied prisoners and war captives they were holding...and our guys just held in place and watched without firing another weapon...

The result would have been tragedy on an Asia-wide scale.  We're talking deaths in the tens upon tens of millions...a huge proportion of that in Japan alone.

People don't study their history.  

They think they know things, but...oh God...they don't.


Exactly. The proto-communists in that class had a childlike view of history and finance even though they were college-age; they are probably all working for ACORN and Green For All now.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:31 am 
 

bbarsh wrote:
My "hoax" message is directed at frauds like Al Gore whose movie and book have been debunked - for the most part. The "hoax" is that global warming is going to wipe out the human race in "x" number of years, New York will be under water by 2020 and other "scientific" paranoia.

They have use global warming as a weapon of fear to amass power and money. The worst part about this is that real scientific research into the matter has been "adjusted" to make their points. So is the earth warming or did it warm over the last couple decades? Yes. But is it life-threatening, global catastrophe caused by man? No. That is politics talking. And their solution is for americans to succumb to a liberal agenda based on a belief system disguised as "scientific" fact. Sorry, that is not going to play.

Do we have a responsibility to reduce pollution? Yes, and America pollutes less today than it did 20 years ago. Factory emissions in the U.S. are vastly cleaner than they were in the 70s. Car emissions are vastly cleaner than they were at any other time in history. This has come about as we have improved our technology - naturally.

Alternatives to fossil fuels are a good thing. But let the market do the research and implementation. Nuke plants are a good thing even though the left has consistently delayed and negated our nuclear energy progam in the U.S. France does a better job than we do. That should insult every american, no offense to our French friends. But jamming in wind and solar farms that are horribly inefficient and economically unbalanced is not a solution. Sure, they might make people "feel" better, but economicaly, they are not productive. Give people time and they will create a better mouse trap. That is what america has always done. But the minute you insert politicians, it all goes to hell.


I'm pretty sure I've seen quotes from climate change backers that admit they have "exaggerated" the effects of global warming et al but it was done for a "good" purpose (i.e. the ice melting off the Himilayas in the next few decades, etc). This sort of thing drives me nuts. The East Anglia papers said as much, as if we "normal" people couldn't be trusted with the actual facts...better to beef them up a bit so we get really worried because otherwise we won't do anything.

Wind farms and solar energy are great, but anyone thinking ramping this up will help us get through the next century is insane. As Bill said, even France is far ahead of us in nuclear power research and it's time the US gets back into the nuclear power business. If you look at the situation in California now vis a vis their energy dilemma you'll see they have absolutely zero ways of dealing with it except for asking the government for more money. Currently nuclear power supplies about 20% of the states needs, and after spending countless millions the last few years solar and wind power together supply 1% of the states power needs.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:48 am 
 

Badmike wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've seen quotes from climate change backers that admit they have "exaggerated" the effects of global warming et al but it was done for a "good" purpose (i.e. the ice melting off the Himilayas in the next few decades, etc). This sort of thing drives me nuts. The East Anglia papers said as much, as if we "normal" people couldn't be trusted with the actual facts...better to beef them up a bit so we get really worried because otherwise we won't do anything.

Wind farms and solar energy are great, but anyone thinking ramping this up will help us get through the next century is insane. As Bill said, even France is far ahead of us in nuclear power research and it's time the US gets back into the nuclear power business. If you look at the situation in California now vis a vis their energy dilemma you'll see they have absolutely zero ways of dealing with it except for asking the government for more money. Currently nuclear power supplies about 20% of the states needs, and after spending countless millions the last few years solar and wind power together supply 1% of the states power needs.

Mike B.


I recycle newspapers, have a compost pile, use energy-saving light bulbs and have a rain barrell, but I'm no green freak.  I like the idea of solar energy and wind energy, but we are decades away from it supplying our energy needs even if we decrease our dependence on energy.  I don't especially like the idea of doing off-shore drilling, but I think the recent proposal by the executive branch is a move in the right direction.  It could be argued that his proposal isn't bold/big enough, but it's obvious to me that America has to tap into these resources even if it only provides a five or ten year reprieve/help.

I agree that building nuclear plants is a good idea, and should be a priority for America.  Doing this should provide a few jobs, less reliance on oil, and less reliance on other countries.  The technology has improved dramatically since Three Mile Island.

The bottom line for me is that, even though America is still the world economic leader, we're in big trouble.  Our debt is about to kill us, among other things.  I see several things which give me hope, but we are barely moving forward if at all.  :?


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:29 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:19 pm 
 

The whole 'global warming' argument is a fraud to begin with. It has been thrown in our faces as a convenient excuse to accomplish one goal - to establish a new global taxation scheme. Regardless of wether or not it is true, the new taxes are being pushed by corporate interests, including oil companies. Who is funding the alarmists? Corporate interests, including oil companies. Who is funding the skeptics? Corporate interests, including oil companies.

So, we have Big Oil supporting both sides of the argument. Controlled opposition, anyone?

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:26 pm 
 

Has anyone noticed the huge increase in the number of RPG related items on Ebay over the last 24 hours or so?  Normally doing a search (including title & description) on the keyword "TSR" just in the Games category nets between 20 to 30 pages or so (showing 50 items per page).  I ran a quick search using the same parameters as above and I am showing 158 pages!  From what it looks like, Troll & Toad has just listed their entire inventory on Ebay.  Is it free listing day or something?

Kind of annoying.  Instead of a couple of pages of MERP listings I get to weed through 8 or 9....all with retarded-ass high BINs.  :?


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:54 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Has anyone noticed the huge increase in the number of RPG related items on Ebay over the last 24 hours or so?  Normally doing a search (including title & description) on the keyword "TSR" just in the Games category nets between 20 to 30 pages or so (showing 50 items per page).  I ran a quick search using the same parameters as above and I am showing 158 pages!  From what it looks like, Troll & Toad has just listed their entire inventory on Ebay.  Is it free listing day or something?

Kind of annoying.  Instead of a couple of pages of MERP listings I get to weed through 8 or 9....all with retarded-ass high BINs.  :?


King,
Try hitting the auction only tab. I get just under 500 lisitngs.
And yes, I seem to remember getting some sort of free listing day or some such email from ebay last week.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:03 pm 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Kind of annoying.  Instead of a couple of pages of MERP listings I get to weed through 8 or 9....all with retarded-ass high BINs.  :?

You can always exclude auctions with Troll and Toad's phone number (or any other text that they have across their auction listings).

  
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