megnelwil wrote:No, I don't want one of the prints, just surprised to see seven 'members' singled out as being slightly less equal than the rest.

"Slightly less equal" really means "slightly slower to confirm interest" and nothing more than that.

No one else has viewed the waiting list as a way of singling out people.  

If BenJoshua (or BadMike, or PaulKM, or anyone) wanted to commission some uber-exclusive artwork, then he could have done that and kept it all to himself.

megnelwil wrote:Hi JG, how goes it? True enough, the distinction has been made based on log-in timings. And I guess a few may drop out so fifty might well prove to be a good estimate in the end. All I'm commenting on is the abuse of the term, "community", and of course everything I say is purely my opinion. I've no doubt any number of members here could commission their own project, but that would be a private matter and not allegedly related to the Acaeum "community".

I do see your point.  To me it's a semantic difference, as the limited nature of prints/posters/whatever was assumed from the start.  Hundreds and thousands can't be made available in an open-ended agreement, as few of us have the funds for such a project.  I certainly don't.

Nothing I say is more than my opinion, either.   Apart from my not having money.  

Didn't someone say there would be nay-sayers and people frustrated over this process? I am fortunate I made it onto the list, but there are many other Acaeum-related things I have missed, sadly, from GenCon last year to Doug's margarita barbeques, to Al's GenCon game this year (it was for repeat players only and I DIDN'T MAKE IT ONTO THE LIST)

Yes, it's a shame there will only be 50 prints, but who knows, I might miss out on another Acaeum project myself! There have been a few weeks where I haven't logged onto Acaeum at all.

benjoshua wrote:We now have 50 solid art requests with several folks yet to clarify their interest.  Adding your name to this list does not commit you to buy a print, but indicates strong interest and the money to back up that interest.  

The list I have, in the order of their registered interest, and the quantity they desire are:

I think this post is worth highlighting (50 names - but over 50 copies if the handful are allowed multiples - that might need clarifying)

[Centre Stage]Didn't someone say there would be nay-sayers and people frustrated over this process?

CSH is right here - but what can you do? Is there a fairer way than 1st come 1st served? That's a bit of a rhetorical question really, but I think that it's important in something like this that lines are drawn and limits made clear. At least from the outset everyone kind of knows where they are. (Even if this is still, presumably, very much 'up in the air')

Of course there is not necesarilly a good reason for limiting to 50, but then there are probably an equal amount of good reasons for limiting it to 57.

I made it in there toward the top of the list, not because I'm great or a pillar of the Acaeum community or a member of the inner circle or have  a massive collection, or am related to Dave Arneson, or whatever else but because I happened to say 'count me in, when this thread was in it's infancy.

This is perhaps the sort of thing that does divide communities - this will potentially get nastier before it gets nicer, but then no-one ever said community had to mean we had a 24/7 love-in!

We should all remember that the desired outcome of all this is a cherished addition to our individual collections - possibly some will treat this as a commodity to be traded or profited on - there is nothing we can do about this, only say that such action would be a shame, and not befitting of the spirit of the whole endeavour.

I for one hope it goes ahead - but if it doesn't I won't lose sleep.

Carl

(edit - I was typing this so didn't read what Deimos had to say - thank you D, I shouldn't have bothered   )

cool - passed me by, like so much else in my life

I notice 50 people on 'the list', but only the first 40 can receive prints if you're sticking to the limited print run of 50 copies. I think in this situation you may need to consider limiting each purchaser to a single print.

Heh ...if there is sufficient interest those who are on the waiting list should just break away and contact Otus to do their own separate commission.  It is not that complicated.  Especially if the number on the waiting list is a smaller number like 25, then that commission would be more exclusive and limited, and each contributor would have a better 1/25 chance to own the original too!

Sorry couldn't help myslef.    

Cheers!

Just a few very general observations....

The self styled politburo....errr, committee...has decided that it behooves us not to get into flame wars, point by point refutations, or long-winded explanations of why things are the way they are.  If you have a legitimate question we'll jump on and answer....if it's just a long list of complaints, we'll probably ignore it.  Fact is, if you want news from the "horses mouth" so to speak the best time to catch most of us is Deimos' Friday Night Chats, right before we retire to the Star Chamber to decide the fates of the unfortunates....wait, that came out wrong....

It has been decided only one print per customer to both cut down on any possible speculation and to get the prints into more hands.

I have no doubt that when time finally comes to collect the money, there will be at least one or two no-shows.  So have faith those of you on the waiting list....

Pre-orders is something we want to avoid, for most of the reasons Avurax states.  Also, no one among us wants to hold onto that much money for that long (we are shooting for an end of year mailing) And remember, NOTHING has actually been decided or done yet on an official basis (lots of unofficial stuff has been taken care of).  Heck Otus might still tell us he wants to give up drawing and circumnavigate the globe and leave us high and dry.

As stated before, this is a first try at this sort of thing...we don't want to get expectations sky high and have them crushed.  Particularly since we aren't even sure right now if we are going to be able to cover shipping through the price, if we collected money now THEN came back several months later to get more money, it wouldn't look or smell right.  We want to avoid that sort of experience (along with the inevitable "Is it done yet?" chorus that will pop up once money is collected).

If you want to look at a case where expectations have turned into outright hostility (over a FREE item, mind you) then look no farther than the release of Len Lakofka's L4 on the Dragonsfoot boards...we want to avoid that sort of experience here.

Mike B.

ExTSR wrote:Will the result be R- or X-rated?
That will affect its eventual placement in the house
(not to mention collectability & value)...

F

Don't you mean NC-17?

Mike