bclarkie wrote:So why not just cut their fingers and toes off? Burn them cigarettes or put a piece of glass in their genitalia and smash it like the Chinese used to do? Why the need to limit it yourself to making up fancy explanations and names to validate doing it? Just do it, right.Again, its not about popular opinion, its about doing whats right and all the things that come along with that.
bbarsh wrote:We have not been hit since 9/11. I just hope it continues.
bbarsh wrote:. I will just say that I do not have the same reservations about torturing the enemy if it is going to save U.S. lives or that of my men.
bclarkie wrote:That's one of the several fatal flaws in the argument though. Torture in any of its various forms has never ever been proven to get reliable answers or workable intelligence.
bombadil wrote:Sorry, Barsh, but I just don't buy into that perspective on iota. The more relevant and revealing fact is that we DID get hit on 9/11.
bbarsh wrote:And like you, Pruf, I spent time in. I will just say that I do not have the same reservations about torturing the enemy if it is going to save U.S. lives or that of my men.
bombadil wrote:Well, here's my perspective (and I totally respect yours). Had 9/11 happened under a Democratic president labeled, as usual, "soft on defense/military", you can bet the fault would have landed squarely in their lap.
bbarsh wrote:bombadil wrote:Sorry, Barsh, but I just don't buy into that perspective on iota. The more relevant and revealing fact is that we DID get hit on 9/11.I don't follow. We were basically ignoring the threat of Islamic radicalsim and they killed thousands of Americans. It took that event to "wake" up our government. They responded and to my recollection, I haven't seen an attack on our soil since. People can disagree with the response, but the fact remains: no attacks on american soil. I am good with that.
bbarsh wrote:bclarkie wrote:That's one of the several fatal flaws in the argument though. Torture in any of its various forms has never ever been proven to get reliable answers or workable intelligence.According to who? That statement is not provable (one way or the other). I certainly cannot say torture works - I have never performed it and I have no knowledge therein. But that does not make the opposite true, either.
Plaag wrote:No attacks on United States soil before then either after 1945. How much torture was done then?ShaneG.
Prufrock wrote:Technically, any attack on a US Embassy is an attack on American soil. And I do believe there has been attacks on embassies since 9/11.
bbarsh wrote:The World Trade Cener was bombed in the early 90s by Islamic terrorists.I know I am not including all the Americans killled overseas in the span of a just a few years (Kobar Towers, Embassies, DD Cole, etc), but my memory can be faulty.
bbarsh wrote:I don't blame anyone in the U.S. Bush or Clinton. I blame the terrorists.
The Collector's Trove wrote:Howdy,Then you'll have no problem when the enemy tortures our fellow citizens abroad and "your men" either. Right? And how will you justify punishing them for such war crimes when you yourself are guilty of it?Honor is when the enemy resorts to cowardly tactics and you don't. The good guys don't torture.Futures Bright,Paul
