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Post Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:53 am 
 

They have judicial process in Italy!?
I thought it was just made up on the spot according to what governer/local politician/land owner (mafia don) considered appropriate at the time. ATM they're going through an anti-US phase, but these things come and go on a whim in that area of the world. If you have enough money or enough bombs and guns you can make your own justice and law in Italiy. Or at least that's the system of law that they broadcast to the rest of the world.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:56 am 
 

The Knox case in the UK is being reported as US Girl gets together with tqo guys and murders her flatmate after a party. Both guys go down and US girl is trying to get pff with it by pleading US citizen being persecuted abroad. Pretty anti-US, but the facts seem to support her being complicit in murder.


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:06 pm 
 

Covered differently in the US.

The story in the US was about what US readers find interesting:  forensic evidence.

Quotes from Italians basically saying, "How dare they criticize the police."

Strange stories about how the judge works with the jury.

Jurors appearing in court to render verdict all wearing Italian flags?


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:16 am 
 

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24022010/ ... debut.html

Great to see that our footballers don't always think from within their pants or wallets!   :lol:

Hope this gets some news over here (although clearly it's not headline stuff so must 'rags' won't bother  :roll: ) because it could be an example that sport & education do actually work together.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:41 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:Covered differently in the US.

The story in the US was about what US readers find interesting:  forensic evidence.

Quotes from Italians basically saying, "How dare they criticize the police."

Strange stories about how the judge works with the jury.

Jurors appearing in court to render verdict all wearing Italian flags?

The italian legal system is very corrupt. It is often subject to the political leanings if the judge, political influence exerted from outside the court, and the influences of the local mafia and their money and power. The italians don't seem to care because I thing on the whole they've never seen a democracy or impartial judiciary ever. They only see stuff on TV, and I don't think they realise there is a difference between what goes on in their country and what goes on in the rest of the western world.

All that said, if you don't commit the crime, you don't find yourself needing political influence or money. And we all know OJ and MJ got off on account of their money and influence.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:16 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:And we all know OJ got off on account of their money and influence.


No, no, no, surely that was because OJ was innocent...   :lol:


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:33 am 
 

Money buys you whatever type of justice you desire in every country in the world. The only difference is who you have to pay, and how much it'll cost. In Italy it's the judge's political or mafia master, in America it's the lawyer, the press and the jury.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:21 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Money buys you whatever type of justice you desire in every country in the world. The only difference is who you have to pay, and how much it'll cost. In Italy it's the judge's political or mafia master, in America it's the lawyer, the press and the jury.


I'm interested in what our Italian Acaeum members thought of the case.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:23 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:Hi,

if you are talking about the "Foxy Knoxy" case, then it probably sounds a lot different in the UK as well.

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In the US, the case was about "Amanda Knox."  The "Foxy Knoxy" angle was apparently a British tabloid thing.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:28 am 
 

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In the US, the case was about "Amanda Knox."  The "Foxy Knoxy" angle was apparently a British tabloid thing.


Are you suggesting the British tabloid press are focused on one thing to sell newspapers...??   :lol:  :lol:


can't remember the last time I bought a newspaper rather than getting my news information from other sources.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:53 am 
 

Can't think of the last time I read a newspaper.
Probably in some hotel somewhere.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:19 am 
 

Not even for the page 3 features?  :lol:


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:58 am 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:Not even for the page 3 features?  :lol:


The Daily Sport covers such things I believe, but not much sport...


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:06 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Covered differently in the US.

The story in the US was about what US readers find interesting:  forensic evidence.

Quotes from Italians basically saying, "How dare they criticize the police."

Strange stories about how the judge works with the jury.

Jurors appearing in court to render verdict all wearing Italian flags?


The Italian prosecuter in this case is already under investigtion for his conduct in other cases...as in taking bribes. Color me shocked  :roll:

Knox screwed up by 1. Being American; 2. Not paying the bribe she was offered at the very beginning; 3. Being American; 4. Living a funky lifestyle and posting weird stuff on Facebook, and 5. Being American. Zero forensic evidence exists to prove she did anything (anyone believing otherwise please post the link to the forensic evidence) but hey there have been worse travesties of justice in the US. Dallas county has released about two dozen people the last few years since DNA evidence cleared them; sad to see Italy hasn't even the facilities Dallas County does to prove innocence or guilt. The Dallas group were convicted because of lousy police work that dictated grabbing the nearest dude and convicting him on flimsy circumstantial evidence.  Thank goodness DNA testing is starting to release these individuals.

People who travel or live overseas and are from the US need to understand what "Napoleonic Code of Justice" means for you and how it difers from "innocent until proven guilty" and "jury of your peers".  You might think twice about traveling overseas if you realize your rights are pretty much zilch....

BTW Mexico much worse. You have no jury trials, and a judge hears your case and decides whether you are guilty or not based on what evidence the prosecuter has given him plus the prosecutor's recommendation (defense is not able to bring a case but a defense lawyer can argue for you, if you can afford one).  As you can guess the prosecutor recommends guilty, oh, 100% of the time, and the judge typically goes along with it. Amnesty International speculates only 8% of people in Mexican jails are actually guilty of the crime they have been incarcerated for....  

I knew a friend and his girlfriend who were arrested in Mexico possessing marjuana (about a joint's worth) 20 years ago or so.  They were facing up to 10 years in prison but their parents paid a $50k "fine" (to the judge personally) and they were released.  I'm sure that's still the case of justice in that 3rd world country.

Interesting that OJ got off a murder case that DNA proved he had committed, and now will spend the rest of his life in jail for something I honestly don't think he planned or expected would get as out of control as it did.  Sometimes justice takes a twisting path....

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:22 pm 
 

It would seem, from a brief reading that I have, that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The only 'evidence' to tie her in is her DNA on the knife 'believed' to have been used to kill.

Can't say it is conclusive from what I have read, although I haven't looked too deeply.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:43 pm 
 

Plus the fact she keeps changing her story doesnt help.

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:53 pm 
 

In Texas, she'd fry. Better policing, better forensics.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:55 pm 
 

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